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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 92 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There is no bottom. There is no depth of depravity and cruelty they will not sink to.

Whatever the worst you can think of, they will think of worse just for fun.

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world 47 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I used to think the World War two depictions of horrors the Nazis were doing to ethnic minorities and their acceptance by the general populace was indulged by the filmmakers and revisionist historians, but now that I watching it unfold in my neighborhood, I can't describe the blackness I now see in the hearts of many Americans and their judges and politicians.

[–] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 9 points 4 days ago

ICE raided a nearby Mexican restaurant and locals stopped by and gave them high fives. The blind loyalty to the state and desire to persecute minority groups are far too close to Nazi Germany than any country in the 21st century should be.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well I mean there was a major difference because the Axis/evil monarch(Italy, Japan and Germany) were conducting atrocities far beyond just separating families and using cold rooms, starvation and medical withholding. They were cutting people open, injecting them with viruses (human log), the hammer and string tied to hit someone in the head to see how long it would take to go insane, chlorine gas, rape (what they considered forced mating) to produce results of viruses in utero and in birth, destroying and liquiding humans (see also the chambers/human sized ovens).

There's a comparison in the amount of ruthless use of law but when it comes to the human atrocities that they enacted and the atrocities that are happening now; It's like a pinch on the arm compared to the kick in the head.

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

For now. It's not like the Nazis started gassing people in extermination camps on day 1 while Mengele was cutting up twins. That's the thing. They started with one thing, and people didn't like it but got used to it. Then they added another thing, and people eventually accepted that too. And so on. It got worse and worse. But once you accept the small things, you'll accept more and more. When we compare to Nazi Germany, we don't compare it to 1944 Germany, but to 1930's Germany. To how it started and how it changed.

That's why I knew years ago during Trump's first term, that this kind of shit would happen. It's the natural consequence when people accept the shit they did from him back then. And now he's worse, and people still accept it. And don't come to me with "but look at the protests!~!!" because they don't work. Protesting only where and when it's allowed is not a protest, it's a parade, and it can (and will!) be ignored by the powers that be. Well, or used as an excuse to kill more of you. Americans are being killed in broad daylight and nothing is being done. People are being sent to concentration camps on foreign soil, and nothing is being done. Minorities are losing their rights and protections, and nothing is being done. It's kinda like how Jewish people at first 'only' lost their rights and German people just accepted it and let it happen... But it escalated and we know where it ends. You are already collectively accepting the former.

Also remember: The Nazis never won by vote. They never even got a majority of the vote. They were handed power by the conservatives/liberals, because they hated the communists and socialists more than they hated the Nazis, and they thought they could control Hitler. Your democrats are doing the same now. They turn on the leftists and by doing so are helping Trump and his fascist buddies.

They don't need majority support to do anything, as long as people just stand by and let it happen anyway.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I don't accept any of it but there is also nothing I can do without being arrested or shot and that really is the reality of it. If our military turned on our government and a coup happened, that would stop a lot of shit. That's about the only way I can see all the bullshit stopping. I understand the slow transfer of power that happened and I understand how the Nazis came to be but at the same time, there's more opposition this day in age and because world war 2 happened it's incredibly difficult to be able to pull that bullshit again.

I'm not for trump, i'm waiting for the next one and i'm hoping it's a young person between the cognitive ages of 38-58 and i'm hoping they'll represent the current generations at play and i'm hoping the next one isn't a republican nazi.

i voted for the cackling one and i was originally going to vote for cornel west but decided that it would have a larger impact to vote for kamala.

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Oh, I'm sure it won't look the same as it did back then, but honestly, did any Americans expect there to be an SA-equivalent in the US that would gun down people in broad daylight and get away with it? How about sending people to torture camps in El Salvador with no recourse? If you think something won't ever happen, you'll miss the warning signs too.

Besides, I think humanity learned not nearly enough of our collectively history of wars. We're still killing each other for no fucking reason.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

, but honestly, did any Americans expect there to be an SA-equivalent in the US that would gun down people in broad daylight and get away with it? How about sending people to torture camps in El Salvador with no recourse?

Personally, no, i din't think this country would ever have this happen. However, since the Bush Administration in the 2000's got their hands on GITMO I am not surprised at overseas detention centers being used to enact Torture aka enhanced interrogation which is really what it's called can't make it up. https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/library/enhanced-interrogation-explained

GITMO was a terrible idea. anything they wanted to get away with that they couldn't get away with over here was done over there.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think humanity learned not nearly enough of our collectively history of wars. We’re still killing each other for no fucking reason.

I'm not trying to downplay it, dismiss it, make it seem like it's nothing any of that I want to point out something interesting

That every single generation has seen: War and Disease and they usually correspond to each other.

There's always been a perceived reason on their end but we deal with the fallout. modern day reasons are such odd reasons but are like sort of understandable but there shouldn't be a loss of life over. like oil and rare earths i get why people fight over that, those make the world run. it still doesn't make it right or okay.

BUT !!! you know what still bothers me, is how putin pre-emptively tried to use denazification as the main underscoring reason for wanting to colonize ukraine, thinking that everyone would be on board tried to say unfair trade. fuck outta here.

you know what every single war has also shown, we all want the water. most wars are near the coastal zones, inland wars are proxy wars.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

They don’t need majority support to do anything, as long as people just stand by and let it happen anyway.

Edit: I do not, absolutely do not condone violent protests. I do not condone extreme actions. The point should be that the opinion gets heard through the voices and good graces of the people; not through scare tactics and extreme actions. the voice of a thousand matters more than the extreme actions of a group because you want people to accept a cause and to not associate a cause with violence and extremism because then that cause gets a bad name and to be honest scaring people and being all violent and shit is never the way to show that you want to get your message across, it only defeats the purpose.

Because when you actually do the actions it takes to make the actions match the magnitude of your words you're considered a terrorist and what they consider our actions to be terrorism - means more like lawful protests, speaking up in crowded areas with facts, being organized and actually organizing like the 50501 and the state organization sites.

while our government is allowed to be be ran by actual terrorists 😔- means that they go around with an armed militia and fuck up citizens, naturalized immigrants and undocumented immigrants with people who are larping for cash bonuses.

terrorist noun

  1. a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims
[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I didn't necessarily mean violence. I meant.. stop staying in designated places. Block every highway, strike in every state, stop buying more and more crap, stop giving the ruling class their money. Grind society to a halt. When garbage is piled 2 stories high and their toilets haven't been cleaned for weeks, you'll suddenly have more power at any negotiating table. They can't arrest all of you. Don't stay in the designated places, don't plan for an end to any protest. If they know when and where you will be, and for how long, they'll just ignore it. Think about it. I would ignore it if I knew for sure it was going to end anyway. Strike and protest and don't let up.

And be careful when you say you are against "unlawful" things... because it's fascists who make the law. If you never want to break their laws, you might as well give up now. Like.. wtf is an unlawful strike? That's the fucking point. It's unlawful? So what? Do it anyway! If you only do what they allow you, where they allow you, when they allow you.. well, then why would they ever listen and/or change? You're already obedient like they want.

Fuck yeah!!!! I've been saying for over a decade we need a workers uprising and to halt the means of production.

[–] Snowies@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I’m over this.

I’ve just been waiting for the mass violence to finally start for months.

I’ve just been waiting for everyone to take to the streets. I’m ready to join them.

It could happen in 10 minutes and I’d walk out of my job to participate.

This cannot stand. The Epstein class spills blood for fun, and we cannot extract a drop of theirs in return?

They’re murdering innocent children and civilians. They’re destroying bridges and air traffic control towers. They’re giving nukes to Saudi Arabia. They’re pushing us into World War 3.

It’s the War crime regime.

Who are we if we never break the rules to stop the people who break all the rules? Who are we if we let them get away with everything?

Who are we?

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

I was told that the reason Americans needed guns was in case of exactly this

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

You may need to get out there, then. Granted, I get that that’s difficult, but organizing protests is how it starts. Don’t get permits, just start organizing.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

People are trying to avoid that otherwise Trump will declare martial law, send in troops, and delay elections forever.

Granted he's still planning on doing this but there won't be any kind of plausible denyability to hide behind.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Can't wait to see what the excuse is after he does that anyway

[–] Snowies@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

I think those things are inevitable.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And to justify all of this, they used lies about immigrants committing violent crimes and said they were only going to go after the criminals.

I wonder how many criminals they’ve deported as part of this.

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Well they imported the Tate brothers, so at least -2

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago

I only heard of the one they imported, tbh.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, duh. How are they gonna send the kids to the President's new sex pit/dungeon if some stupid relatives keep showing up to claim them?

[–] YerLam@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Or if both parents turn up you get a 2 for 1 trade, and who doesn't like doubling profits?

[–] NM_Gringo@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's painful watching the USA descend into madness. Anarchy is next.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Anarchy would be preferable

[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

After the first time they did it and got to sleep comfortably in their own beds that night, it became everyone's fault.