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[–] febra@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Except Germany keeps delivering weapons to Israel, gives them diplomatic and political coverage, and apparently even has planes in the air to support Israeli fighter jets in their attacks on Iran.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 35 points 2 days ago

They are complicit in supporting and arming Israel as well as supporting the genocide.

[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 127 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Moonweedbaddegrasse@lemmy.world 169 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Wellllll... If it hadn't been for Germany, Israel probably wouldn't exist.....

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 114 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 87 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Germany is Europe's biggest supporter of Israel.

The biggest issue is that we, the EU, are on the side of Germany now. And their track record with world wars isn't great.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (22 children)

To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of "original sin". What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

The problem is that "nothing of the sort" has translated into "opposing Jews in any way". It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to "atone for their sins", and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we've seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It's very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they've done a laudable job at condemning.

What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it's difficult, and I don't have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.

[–] p3n@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we’ve seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

I don't say this to excuse anything Israel is doing, but this is gross recency bias that is glossing over numerous genocides that have occurred since the Holocaust, including:

Not technically genocides, but also worth mentioning in the same vein:

So ya, other than those events, this is the closest thing to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust.

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To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of “original sin”. What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

The problem with Germany is that they learned the wrong lesson out of WW2.

Instead of learning "genocide is bad", it's "Jews are always on the right side of history". And that's why Germany is completely uncritically supporting Israel with everything that it does.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Germany is the second largest provider of weapons to Israel, and a huge longtime consumer of Russian gas, this is a tonedeaf as hell meme.

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https://xcancel.com/josemendes2/status/1934190961719972153#m

Except we are once again fighting on the side of genocide.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (11 children)

They're highly complicit in Israel's actions.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Israel: we wouldn't have started it without Germany's security guarantees!

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[–] benjaminb@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Germans when they realise WW2 was caused by an man from Austria

Germans when they realise WW1 was caused by the assassination of the archduke of Austria and the subsequent declaration of war from Austria-Hungary on Serbia.

You could say Austria is responsible, but Hitler was in Germany, so WW2 is kinda our problem…

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Clearly, this is all Austria's fault. To punish Austria, Germany needs to invade and annex it....

[–] benjaminb@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I know you're being sarcastic. Although I tried to say that WW2 is "our" fault (Germany caused it). But as I read my last sentence again, I do see it's weirdly written.

Anyway, I am just frustrated that we (Germans) are apologizing forever, paying other countries huge amounts of money, etc. Yes, it was very very bad what happened during that time, but we weren't the only ones doing bad shit! The "great and free" land of the fucking USA is (TO THIS DAY) the ONLY state, that has ever dropped a nuclear weapon on another country. Or have they apologized to Vietnam? To the hundreds (if not thousands) of victims to the crimes of the CIA? Have they apologized for Project MKUltra? Or the Tuskegee Syphilis Study? I could go on, but it's already a pretty good list... Now, did the US do anything to apologize, pay compensation or anything? NO! They tried to hide it. Just like communists in China or Russia or the former USSR. And whose the biggest enemy of the US? THE FUCKING COMMUNISTS! (I am not a communist by the way, I just wanted to point out the irony.) Furthermore: China, Russia, USSR, etc. have been spying their people. Guess who is spying (not only US Citizens): the motherfucking NSA! Like with the Intel ME ( Great Video from Mental Outlaw btw ). Or EternalBlue, which the NSA exploited for years and not telling Microsoft to fix it...

Sorry, this hatred has been building up in me the last several months. But I am not hating the citizens, they (systematically) don't receive education, it's not their fault.

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Well, for now, I haven't seen Austria do anything to start WWIII

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well if they didn't genocide all those millions of innocent Jews 80 years ago, western countries wouldn't accept the invasion and genocide in Palestine over the last decades

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