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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

TL;DR: it’s not the screens or tech’s fault. It’s the overall pressure to lower standards and people that for whatever reason can't work with tech.

After seeing my kids go through school I’d say the chief issues with performance are external. Tech and screens are like any tool, they’re only as good as the user.

Parents and society place less importance on education and critical thinking, in fact they often insult it. Parents teach their kids that they’re not responsible for their failings, it’s the teacher’s or the school’s fault. Parent’s don’t have the knowledge to help with the tech, nor will they police the kid’s use of the tech, either because they dgaf or can’t understand it. Teaching standards keep moving the goalposts to help the least common denominator. Teachers also aren’t allowed to teach in a way, there’s always some “do-gooder” latest study that’s supposed to teach kids better, but it’s bullshit management worried more about studies and metrics than just teaching. Teachers spend more time jumping through hoops than teaching.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Using laptops to replace books and writing is not a tech first approach in the first place. It's just that you replace a book with a computer, that's not tech education. The letters and words are still the same, except now you have a distracting screen in front of a kid on a machine that can do other things to satisfy the impulses of a bored kid. There is nothing wrong with laptops in class just use it to teach the kids to use the tech for things those machines were build for. And not as a book and a teaching assistant substitute. Teach kids how to operate a real OS, teach them basic cyber security and cyber hygiene, let them install a printer and wifi. Anything that is useful for when they will use a PC as adults.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

May I add in the "opensource astronomic simulation software" like KStars that can't be replicated by books?

It's not the tech, it's capitalism, and the fact the people making decisions are usually oblivious to the dangers of capitalistic tech.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How is it that it took until 2026, nearly 100 years after the advent of the nuclear bomb, for school administrators to realize that not all technology is inherently good in every application?

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

It is going to be far before the reverse course.

My child's only school supply list is a pair of headphones for the tablet they are allowed to use in school. She will be in kindergarten...

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I preferred pen and paper for note taking, didn't take notes on laptop for CS uni even. But having instruction material in digital form wins imo. Bulky exercise books are not worth it imo. I suspect publishers prefer those for beefy books for other reasons....but I would not be surprised if for lower elementary school exercise books with lots of images and fun exercises have positive impact.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe I have bad digital attention span but whether it's educational books or documents at work, I'm much better at retaining and locating information in paper. The physical register of the document location, location of information within the document, and location on the page gives me a fuller memory of the info.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Absolutely, i keep my desktop amd documents pretty clear but for a project or presentation I willprint everything and have them mapped out as required. Its more tactile and less stressful

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago

same, laptop is too distracting anyways.

[–] finley@lemmy.zip 105 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (28 children)

It’s not screens that are the problem, per se, but how they are used, and how schools and teachers were rely upon them to do every single little thing rather than using an appropriate methodology which integrates traditional teaching techniques which use technology to assist.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And they wouldn't have to have the screen do everything if they were paid the appropriate amount given the importance of their station

[–] Kittywifclaws@piefed.world 18 points 3 days ago (8 children)

It’s not even the pay. Every child deserves the education to be tailored to them but there aren’t enough people to sit down one on one with every kid. No budget meant no kid ever got one on one unless they had a disability and the school got money for another person. It always came down to not enough bodies. The pay was just insult to injury.

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[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (10 children)

Screen use should be relegated to a smart board/overhead projector and computer lab. Make kids use real books/pencil & paper and every test score will improve as long as a zero smartphone policy is enforced.

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[–] VampirePenguin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

You can have a Linux running on a raspberry pi, but you have to build the device yourself. That's my solution.

[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We can blame Google, Microsoft, and Apple for this mess.

[–] BouteilleBrune@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I agree, the obsurd idea that "screens in class would help students" was just devices being pushed on customers.

And it's not without consequence obviously.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Schools buy microsoft products the way pro gamers buy $300 gaming chairs.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Let's also remember that before the screens, we had shitty textbooks, and underpaid teachers and a serious shortage of supplies.

Schools in the United States need more than a review of tech, but a complete overhaul and a budget that doesn't look like Republicans are literally trying to kill the education system.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Jesus life in the richest country in the world sounds awful. Is there anything that works as it should?

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

before the screens, we had shitty textbooks, and underpaid teachers and a serious shortage of supplies.

We used to have that. We still do. But we used to too

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[–] Fishnoodle@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (3 children)

No. Shit.

Giving every student a distraction to take with them everywhere typically is a bad idea.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If it so much as has a button to change text size I know kids would rather mash that button and watch the screen go crazy than to pay attention to the lesson.

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[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 days ago (6 children)

The issue here is that the technology itself, instruction, and implementation was incredibly poor this century. Schools weren't doing basic things like typing classes for primary school, there was no instruction on how to program or use the operating systems, and kids weren't given PCs; they were given tablets and chrome books which favored internet access based learning platforms over products stored locally on machines.

I grew up during the 1980s, and my primary schools had 1 apple pc in the classroom. We took turns learning typing. We learned how to operate the machines by inserting floppies and typing commands. Things we were given access to were all instructional. I have vivid memories of learning math via computer with a program called number muncher.

Access to the tech was limited and supervised. This is what created an environment that taught me how to use computers as I transitioned to secondary education. This century, all of the implemented controls were related to limiting access to pornography rather than teaching students anything about the actual tech. Now we have a generation of people entering the workforce that don't know how to use PCs just like the boomer demographic.

[–] Thrashin_Victim@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When I first started working on computers in 1994, I thought that by 2010 every kid/teen/adult would be able to repair their computers themselves. How wrong I was. They know how to use computers and tablets but the hardware is a mystery to them.

I worked at a STEM university and was helping a Computer Science student with his laptop. It had a SSD and a platter HD in it for storage. The platter HD was failing and needed replacing. I wrote to the student stating he “needed a new HD”. He had no clue what I meant. He didn’t even know it was possible to replace. He was going to buy a new laptop.

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[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This has been a major problem for my kid. They don’t even lock down the iPads they issue so they just do whatever. So when my kid is failing classes because he’s not doing assignments in class and it turns out he’s just on YouTube all day, it’s like why the fuck are they even able to get on that in the first place? Doesn’t matter how tightly I restrict technology at home when his school just says fuck it.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 14 points 3 days ago (13 children)

That's insane! How could any teachers think that's acceptable?

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[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (6 children)

“TEchMoLoGy iS tHe fUTuRe anD wE mUSt PrEpArE tHE stUdEnTs!”

Yeah, no. You can stick to teaching them core curriculum. Speaking on behalf of GenX, we never needed school to tell us how to use technology.

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[–] manuremy@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Only way I have ever learned, in school, is by writing notes by hand into my own notebooks. Rewriting text book chapters, taking notes from teacher, writing answers down. It takes time, longer than taking notes on a laptop. But writing on laptop just doesn't "stick" the information into my head. Back in high school, I was the last student to still hand-in my essays etc in paper and my teachers were very happy to grade them, one told me it brought her good memories from the times there were less screens and teaching was easier. No wonder..

When I had laptop in glass, it was very easy to play games, watch Netflix or scroll Reddit. I had no self-control, I was not able to force myself to focus in learning. They started using laptops and tablets in glasses when we were 13 and most of us found ways to play games etc on them, bypassed the restrictions. And we shared the knowledge on that. Oh, also I dropped out eventually.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Toss the chromebooks and let kids mess with the inner workings of the computer. Teach them to make their own backups and have restore drives available.

[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Media lab and AV clubs, like the old days. Love it.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 28 points 3 days ago

I'm in tech and a connoisseur of modern stuff, but even I wouldn't want my non existing kids to be screen only. Have an IT class to get them to know how to use those devices, then back to books and paper. A friend struggles like hell keeping her son from spending his whole day on digital devices, if the school pulled that off, he'd be toast.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

But after these funds dried up, schools have struggled to replace broken or outdated devices, which last on average less than a decade despite Google’s efforts to extend device life spans.

HA

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even disregarding the google planned obsolescence stuff, they expect to get 10 years out of a computer that is used daily for 3/4 of the year AND being given to teens/kids who are on the go from class to class and then home. It's not a reasonable expectation. Even treating a laptop perfectly, its just too much of a dangerous environment for a piece of tech to reasonably expect it's going to make it to the 10th year.

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[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago

Right?

"What's that Google? When you design things from the ground up with planned obsolescence in mind, it's suddenly hard to UNDO the mess you made of the hardware? Who would have thunk it."

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

the problem is advertising. advertising distracts away from the school's own messages, education and purpose.

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