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and I want to be clear - this means no aid to Ukraine either. We are broke as it is.

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There's no lobbyist money in any of that. Do you expect your politicians to be poor just like you?

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Looking at the polling, that's also what a large contingent of Republicans are saying.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 3 days ago

Top of the list should be prosecuting the fascists and plugging the holes in the legal system that have allowed this country to get into the state it's in. Without that nothing else matters because the next administration will just rip it all out again.

[–] Doom@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

That's what most Americans are saying. The biggest voting block in America is independents. Yet we stupidly keep lettings the elites in the margins have all the air in every room so they can pretend-fight over invented talking points as a distraction so we can't stop them taking our time/money/resources.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

When the lefists replace the establishment by voting in the primaries.

That's it. That's all we have to do. You know why Bernie never got a Presidtial nomination? Because most primary voters didn't support him. Know why Mandami won in New York? Because the primary voters supported him.

It's not fucking witchcraft. People need to show up to vote in the primaries instead of just bitching about the candidates in November. That's how you move the party left.

The fascists figured this out and it's how they've completely taken over the Republican party. We need to do the same thing on the left.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (11 children)

You know why Bernie never got a Presidtial nomination? Because most primary voters didn’t support him.

Right, it had nothing to do with the DNC openly rigging primaries against him and then arguing in court that they were within their right to do so. It's never the system, always the individuals!

The fascists figured this out and it’s how they’ve completely taken over the Republican party. We need to do the same thing on the left.

The elites which run this country permitted the fascist takeover of the GOP because fascism is not contrary to, and can even be beneficial for, capitalist interests - at least up to a point.

Leftist politics are inherently anticapitalist. The elites will not allow it as long as they're alive.

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Why are you going around shitting on everyone encouraging voting? Voting is the bare minimum first step to participating in politics.

You want to try organizing a bunch of people who don’t even bother voting into action? Good luck with that.

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[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

But no aid to Ukraine means Europe, your biggest trade partner will be in danger, hence your economy will suffer and you'll become more broke... There's a reason why we have the ICC and why we have foreign aid, cause ww1 and ww2 taught us that peace is way more lucrative then getting sucked into a war... So idk foreign aid makes everyone richer imo

[–] killingspark@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Uhm, the USA doesn't recognize the ICC

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[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (4 children)

cause ww1 and ww2 taught us that peace is way more lucrative then getting sucked into a war

LMAO

Is that really the lesson you think America learned after WWII? Is that why they've been constantly starting illegal wars of aggression across the planet for 80 years?

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[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The issue is, we aren't broke. Not even close

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[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 37 points 5 days ago (13 children)

Short answer is no. Democrats are equally beholden to AIPAC (Israeli) and corporate interests . Until you reverse the United Citizens supreme court case, you americans will continue to be controlled by the billionaires and Israelis.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (5 children)

This primary is proving the opposite. Progressive dems are winning by campaigning on being against AIPAC.

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[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If course they won't listen. If the last forty years have proven anything, it's that the Democratic Party will never in a million years choose its base over its donors.

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[–] Mangofunk@thelemmy.club 3 points 3 days ago

Sure, this might be what the voters are saying. Hell, it’s what some of the elected officials are saying too, but what they say and what they do are two very different things.

Nothing will change until we get money out of politics and neither party is willing to have the discussion, much less act on it.

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

Were the only major power without heath care for all, doesn’t make sense. Unless it would suppress wages and or make lots of job loss I’m all for it. I guess the questions, what happens to HSA’s and FSA’s. I have a few thousand in an HSA I’d like not to lose

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Added punctuation to make it appeal to centrist Democrats:

Medicare for All? No. Aid to Isreal! Healthcare over. War!

[–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I honestly don't think that any entrenched politician has even the slightest capability of "Listening" to people they so obviously hold in contempt for being less well off. The career people are all set for life (yet oddly still greedy enough) to sell anyone out for personal gain.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Should be MediCAID for all.

[–] TheGoldenV@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago

I’d settle for proper universal healthcare no matter the name. Medicare for all is not the ideal. I’ll take what we can get though.

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[–] mirshafie 2 points 3 days ago

Ah yes, "healthcare over war"

Right up there with classic slogans such as "cake rather than crap" and "better a good night's sleep than getting stabbed in the dick with a screwdriver"

[–] Enekk@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

I really suggest everyone listen to Jon Stewart's interview with John Fetterman. Fetterman demonstrates what is the rough draft on how establishment Dems will talk about these policies and the people supporting them. It's not pretty.

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