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We all know Bernie has its many limitations, and how he likes to co-opt movements for then water them down. He made many mistakes in his life, like voting for the intervention in Yugoslavia. However, at least in what concerns this conflict, I like how he grew a spine and is voicing his opinion this time at least. Some people who follow him will get his message.

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[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)
  • Starts off with blaming Putin for his own country's aggression
  • Still to much of a Zionist piece of shit to call it a genocide
  • Covers up Israel's crimes with the the one bad apple theory
  • Calls Iran corrupt and authoritarian. THE. FUCKING. NERVE.
  • Claims Shitrael has a right to defend itself
  • Massively downplays the number killed and wounded.
  • "I guess it's just Bibi out there running amok by himself, not an entire genocidal military." 80%+ of Israel wants to exterminate all the Palestinians.
  • Fails to mention that the fear Amerikkka is using to sell this war is completely fake and manufactured because Bernie's actually stupid enough to believe it.

It just goes on and on with this bullshit. This is pro-israel, anti-Iranian propaganda. It's not supported by the truth, but rather than on his dogshit credibility. He's wrong or lies about most history and most other countries. He's a virulent anti-communist. He's lied Ukraine into hundreds of thousands of death, just for the sake of imperialist expansion. This piece of shit sold you this situation the whole world is in by lying about Israels genocide, spying, deceit, bribery, assassinations, nuclear weapons, apartheid, history, name it. He gave them every weapon they wanted, while wringing is ghoulish hands about the handful of Palestinians who "arent terrorists". He lied to you about Hamas. About Hezbollah. About Ansarallah. About Iran and the IRGC. He supports killing all those people. If this piece of shit cared about averting this nightmare now that he's steered everyone on earth into it, he should tell the fucking truth for once. If he doesn't know the truth, he should shut the fuck up. If he can't tell the truth, he should also shut the fuck up. Reiterating the lies that got the world here, will only produce the same outcome in a few weeks, months or years. Endless cycle of button-pushing electoralism that perpetuates legitimacy of the Great Satan.

It's like believing the nazis will pull you back from the brink after driving you there. No, shut the fuck up and die.

This is a liberal war criminal. The Amerikkkan "left" is the most pathetic fucking thing on earth. Amerikkkans lack the education and self-awareness to make moral judgements on the world. You and lack the political framework to solve your own bullshit problems, but shove your dysfunction into our faces, like we dream of living in your 4th Reich. If you were worth a shit at all, you would be lining these sicko freaks up against the wall, which is exactly what this guy deserves. And if you had executing the bourgeois psychos instead of electing them, we'd all have a much safer place to live.

I invite every amerikkkan trying to sell the fascist empire's warcriminal politicians lies, to just shut the fuck up forever. You lost the right to be heard.

I hate your rotten fascist empire. Neither Amerikkka, nor Shitrael have a right to exist. Three generations of my family have lived in fear of your country's dangerous stupidity, and I can't escape that anywhere on earth.

If condemning you terrorist country and your terrorist politicians makes anyone here feel personally offended, then your the problem. Maybe take your tongue off the boot and disassociate yourself from this thing.

We are 1 second to midnight, and it's entirely Amerikkka's fault. That includes this old, lying sack of shit.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 day ago
[–] burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I don't disagree with you in any of your points. I agree with you that he is not an ally. Bernie is really a Zionist apologist. He is a scumbag that confuses some people that actually supports socialism to follow his lead instead of working on building genuine movements.

My only point regarding Bernie's latest speech is that he asks not to further escalate the conflict. I think it is useful, and that is it. Right now, an escalation of the conflict benefits no one. And we need to take advantage of this contradiction to further push an anti-imperialist agenda in the US.

Also, I would like to add that I am not American. I am Brazilian, and I learned the consequences of American imperialism since I was little.

But Sanders has been talking in this manner for years. He participates in rhetoric that only has invasions and bombings as its natural conclusion, but when the great beast starts heaving to start killing people in earnest, he calls foul. This isn't anti-war, it's pro-war machine with anti-war aesthetics.

This also means that to the extent that they haven't evolved beyond him, his audience are turn into a multitude supporting western/Usian foreign policy 99% of the way to hot conflict and getting cold feet there.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sorry for using accusing language toward you, specifically. Maybe I don't know what words to use.

I meant it toward all the people who keep telling me that the US is going to get fixed on this next vote or that. All the people I knew who got very excited about this guy "bringing socialism" to the US, but couldn't apply a ML framework to see if his politics passed that test. Getting betrayed, and writing endless apologia, "I'm going to start voting for my postal carrier now #grassroots #revolution", while refusing to acknowledge the revolution vs. reform question, getting hyped and betrayed again, supporting the worst people, worst policies, most dead end bullshit. And all just to see this living miracle of the Amerikkkan "left" arm, fund and cover up a genocide that tortures my soul every day.

[–] burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, it is tiring. US electoral system is structured in such a way that it is very hard to get another party elected. And by system, I also include the mainstream media and social media which also is a big barrier to socialist propaganda and agitation. I'd say even a reformist agenda is very unlikely to even get chairs in congress, let alone a revolutionary agenda.

I think the biggest impact socialist tactics in US can do right now, considering the current situation, is organizing mass protests and sabotage efforts against the empire, along with worker organization. We need to make workers understand that no politician will ever save them, they have to do it themselves.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Real revolutionary agendas don't run for office lenin shotgun

at the risk of fedposting: I do agree with those tactics being necessary to take pressure off of the rest of the world. Seeing spy taxis on fire seemed hopeful, but the no kings thing was a pathetic politically themed daycare that diffused a lot of political energy. Incredible how often that trick work.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yeah but if he said any of that they'd probably fucking kill him tbf. Not an excuse at this point of course but its worth considering the old man probably fears death. I'm doubtful he buys all the bs. Maybe he is senile though idk

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 19 hours ago

If he said any of that he wouldn't be bernie sanders. He would never say that. His entire existence revolves around him playing anti-imperialist when it is safe to do so and supporting imperialism when anti-imperialism is most needed.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah but if he said any of that they’d probably fucking kill him tbf.

Honesty that win-win. 5 generations of Gazans don't live as long as he has.

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