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Startrek.Website Admins continue to abuse their position (piefed.world)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by Stamets@piefed.world to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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So a year ago, or so, I made a big post on TenForward about the insane level of harassment that the admins of Startrek.website decided to subject me to. Due to my posting a lot, I was actually on friendly terms with the admins of STW but then shit changed after I pointed out the abuse of one of their moderators. I left and they went bonkers. Contacting admins of several instances to attempt to get me banned, contacting the admins of my Mastodon instance to attempt to get me banned and using multiple accounts to cover their ass. All of this spearheaded and primarily done by @ValueSubtracted@Startrek.website (or VS because I don't wanna type that repeatedly) and I've got the screenshots to prove it. Even more that I can show now that I wasn't able to back then due to certain Admins having left the website and not caring about dealing with the drama anymore. There was also one account that was targeting me aggressively that myself, Admins, and other mods of TenForward came to the conclusion was likely an alt of either an Admin or a mod of that instance. If you want more information and a whole lot of screenshots, check this post out..

Edit: Fun fact. You cannot see this community on Startrek.website. They have completely blocked Ye Power Tripping Bastards.

Just to also say this in case you don't check that post... ValueSubtracted was the lead mod of the /r/StarTrek community. So. Take that as you will, but that community was known for having some insanely heavy handed moderation. Even for Reddit. @Corgana@startrek.website, the other Admin, is known for using the @SysAdmin@startrek.website account. An account he told me directly was just his admin account so he can keep a "normal" account. I would have respected this if I didn't see Corgana commenting on SysAdmin posts congratulating SysAdmin for doing a good job. The level of narcissism from both of these people is absurd. The account @Treksite@tenforward.social also belongs to ValueSubtracted, just as a side note. Something he told me a while back when we were chatting and I was just setting up on Mastodon. All relevant in one way or another.

Ever since we set up TenForward, not even mentioning that post, /c/Risa has effectively been dead in the water. What went from THE Star Trek meme community became a distant memory. I, being an asshole, occasionally like to look over at the instance and see what's going on. To be honest, not much. The instance is very much a one trick pony, focusing exclusively on Star Trek and having some abusive admins to boot. But I was wondering how things were going more internally. I took a look at each individual community and then the modlog. Funnily enough, I discovered that if I want to see a post that's a year old on any community, I don't need to go further than the 9th or 10th page. There's just no new content anymore and the little that is on there? They're aggressively controlling.

/c/GreatestGen or Greatest Generation

This is a community made specifically for a Podcast. Value does not actively moderate here as there are two moderators appointed. Only a single person has ever been banned. I know that it was by Value because the same user was banned from several other communities. However, this same user was also banned from lemmy.world for spam and exists on lemmy.tf as a spammer.

/c/DoctorWho or Doctor Who Social Club

Jesus Christ. For a community with 324 subscribers, Value sure has been busy. And yes. Value. He is the only moderator. He also has a weird quirk of banning someone from the instance entirely and then banning from the community as well. Why? My assumption is that he cannot handle the idea that someone is even commenting on the community outside of an instance he controls. I don't even know if it works like that but he routinely bans people from every community after banning them from the instance as a whole.

WraithGear

@WraithGear@lemmy.world was banned from both Startrek.website as a whole as well as the DoctorWho community. Going through all posts from within the time frame, I cannot see a single post that has any removed comments on it. There is, however, a post with a single downvote that was posted the day before.

Also, if you look at a banned users account you can find the last time they interacted with anything federated to that instance. This is Wraith's.

Pronell

@Pronell@lemmy.world was banned from both instance and community for 'Downvote Trolling'. Now, this one might actually be legitimate because the same user was banned from two other communities a couple months later for the same claim. However, there is only a single post within the 1 week time frame and it was only downvoted twice. No other posts and no other comments had any downvotes.

Again, this just seems to be like Value is incapable of handling someone not liking his posts. Dude should try being me and getting the fuck over it. You know how often I get downvoted? You know how little fucks I give?

Various Removals

Kind of have two sides here. On one hand you're dealing with some petty, removed, whiny little modlog additions. Like just spiteful. On the other hand, these are just opinion. @ValueSubtracted@Startrek.website is just openly policing even the Doctor Who community he created. No opinion can exist that is against his own or not worded EXACTLY correctly.

/c/StarTrekOnline or STO Alliance

RiikkaTheIcePrincess

This is the third fucking community out of seven.

Considering the community has extremely little activity, it's not surprising not much was going on. The community has no moderator other than VS and the log is just him featuring and unfeaturing various posts. There were two things that stood out. First was a banning of @RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social for 'Downvote Trolling'. I remember interacting with Riikka and don't remember anything standing out as problematic. It does hint to me that they probably just downvoted a lot of VS' comments, disagreeing with them, and VS couldn't handle it. Also strikes me a bit odd that they were banned for 'Downvote Trolling' but specifically from a community and not from the instance as a whole.

The ban was issued on Tuesday, November 12th. So I went back and looked at every post from within that range. There are no comments that I could find that have any downvotes. There are, however, two posts that have been downvoted, each a single time. One was posted on November 12th, the other was posted on November 11th.

Feel free to check it out yourself. I cannot find any other comments or any other posts that have any downvotes within a 1 week of that ban.

The only possible conclusion I can come to is that VS was downvoted twice and just instantly banned Riikka because "Why would you downvote me otherwise?"

Millie

@Millie@startrek.website was banned for making 'Junk Comments'. A single comment of theirs was removed, more may have been under the ban removal. The only one directly removed was this:

However, the user wasn't actually banned sitewide and nor did the user delete the account. They appear to have just left the instance entirely, leaving it behind. This is the last interaction they had, a few months after the initial removal

I'm kind of with her. There are so little posts that are made on these communities outside of VS' spammy featured post of the week. When I was on the instance I was also openly downvoting all the STO ones because I was being driven insane by it.

/c/Quarks or Quark's

The only moderators here are ValueSubtracted, Corgana and @williams_482@startrek.website who was added as an admin shortly before I left. It might have been shortly after but fairly sure it was before. I know absolutely nothing about Williams but if Value and Corgana added him as an admin then I don't exactly have high hopes for the man.

CorsicanGuppy

@CorsicanGuppy@lemmy.ca was banned from both Quarks and the Site as a whole. The reason given is vote manipulation and also "Learn to curate your feed". They were also banned from a number of other communities from db0 for both vote manipulation and being anti-AI. Now, I'm typing this post out as I'm getting all these screenshots so I feel I need to say this really quick. This isn't the first time I've seen the same ban from the same Db0 communities. Pronell, mentioned earlier, also had been given vote manipulation/Anti-AI bans to both Stable Diffusion Witches and Stable Diffusion Mycology, granted this happened MONTHS later. However, I feel I should say it now because twice is a coincidence but three times is a pattern. So far we're just at twice. Hopefully I'll remember to delete this if we stay at twice.

Now back to the French fish. There were several posts within a week timeframe of that ban, but only one was downvoted and it was nearly a full week prior to the ban. No other posts were downvoted and the only comments downvoted during that timeframe belonged to @Cm0002@lemmy.world for questioning ValueSubtracted/TrekSite and Corgana/SystemAdmin and their stance on defederation. Legitimately have no idea where the downvotes are coming from that Guppy got banned over. Nothing is visible on either lemmy.world or on startrek.website during that timeframe.

Me

Well, not really me. I just found this funny. This was a post linking to TenForward just after it was created and me posting the information about VS harassing me behind the scenes.

/c/DaystromInstitute or Daystrom Institute

This community is moderated by a number of moderators. ValueSubtracted is not one of them. Probably why I have literally nothing I can point to here. Absolutely nothing. There are no removals of stuff on this community within the past year. The only bans from the community are also from people who were banned from every other community on the instance. More on those later. It's fucking amazing that the two communities that don't have ValueSubtracted as the primary mod are also the two communities that don't have any unnecessary removals.

Risa...

My former home. The place where I literally started. I was only ever posting Star Trek memes for like a month until I realized @The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world was posting elsewhere. I went "Hey, I have a lot of saved memes too!" and so it was born. But it all could have gone very differently if not for @USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website. Literally the only moderator on the community. Now, there's also something quite important here. The community has no rules. The sidebar straight up says "we have no real rules" which was the spawning point of me leaving. Things were being removed for dumb reasons with Burrito Truck being the sole arbiter on what went where. So let's see how things have gone, shall we?

Neato

@Neato@ttrpg.network was banned from both Risa and the instance as a whole for 'Downvote Trolling'. A number of posts made during this time were downvoted. While looking through to see if I could find anything specific, I did find this comment from @crackhappy@lemmy.world that made me laugh my ass off:

SendPicsOfSandwiches

Yet again, @Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works was banned from both the community and entire instance for 'Downvote Trolling'. Also at about the same time as Neato so the same number of posts that were generally downvoted. Even the post that Crackhappy commented on only had 9 downvotes.

Vaggumon

Again, @Vaggumon@lemm.ee, now presumably @Vaggumon@lemmy.zip, was banned for 'Downvote Trolling' in the exact same time frame from both the community and the instance.

Random Removals

Literally could be absolutely anything. No clue. My guess? Basing it off of past experience of seeing other posts removed, this is just stuff Burrito Truck doesn't like but I have literally no way of knowing because USSBurritoTruck is terrified of just giving a solid reason.

/c/StarTrek or Star Trek Social Club.

The moderators here are USS Burrito Truck, Value Subtracked and @OpticalData@startrek.website whom I know absolutely nothing about. But I can tell you right now, this is going to be bad. This is where all the conversation happens about Star Trek. As much as people want to give me shit for being protective over Discovery, I am nothing in comparison to the absolute fanboy that Value Subtracted is. Did you know he was the literal reason that /r/StarTrekDiscovery was created? People were so frustrated with being unable to talk about the series without being completely policed that they made their own community. Even that community is accused of being too protective but it's insane that it even had to happen. It's also not the first time. Most Trek shows with their own subreddits were made explicitly due to Value and Corganas practices as the mods of /r/StarTrek.

XTL

@Xtl@sopuli.xyz was banned, just like before, for Downvote Trolling. Thankfully this is the only one that's really on this list that I can see at the moment. But, just like before, there are only a couple of posts within that one week time frame that I see. They each only have one downvote. Both were posted by Value Subtracted.

Random Removals

@wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com is told to keep on topic. It is on topic. It's talking about Star Trek. But because it is critical of Discovery, it isn't on topic after all.

@Tim_Bisley@piefed.social also gave a critical opinion of Discovery and was told to "Be Honest". Because evidently criticizing Discovery at all is just a lie against the universe. The delusions here are insane.

@Cygnus@lemmy.ca also needs to "be honest" about just 'not hearing about Discovery'. Like... I'd have just downvoted this and moved on.

In fact, here. Just have a ton of 'em.

Just The Whole Ass Website

Downvote Trolling

@Natecox@programming.dev, @OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world, @ChicoSuave@lemmy.world and @RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de were also banned for 'Downvote Trolling'. And that would be a pattern too. So I guess I'm late to the game on this, considering some asking around, but evidently it's known that there are a number of mods, such as @even_adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com, who just outright ban you from their community if you downvote. Quite a few of them seem to not be believers in sorting by 'All' and just get really aggressive about banning anyone IMMEDIATELY who dares downvote. How incredibly fragile.

EleventhHour

I remember seeing this person a LOT and then suddenly vanishing. They left their lemmy.world account about a month after this ban.

DefaultDefect

@Default_Defect@midwest.social was banned for "Conspiracy Nonsense". Their last comment federated to the instance is this which just seems like more of a joke than anything else.

Phoenixz

Fairly removed way to ban someone, especially as a reason. Took a bit but I believe I found why they won't be missed. Of course, @Phoenixz@lemmy.ca was critical of Discovery.

There are more. Many, many, many more. Go take a look at the modlog yourself. See if you can find any easy and simple ones that I missed.

Conclusion

"Stamets... why are you making this post? It was a year ago that you left Startrek.website. Are you seriously so mad over these dudes that you can't let it go?"

I spent a good chunk of this morning dumpster diving for breakfast and got yelled at cop for my troubles. Not the first time it happened. Doubt it'll be the last time. But it did leave me with a particularly frustrated taste in my mouth and I wanted to be able to do something against dickheads in some position of authority. So, my ADHD mingled with my spite and I hyper focused this over the past few hours. Do I feel better about myself? Not really. But these assholes are smearing the name of Star Trek. They act like Gul Dukat while trying to pretend they're the pinnacle of the Federation. They're changelings in disguise. These are the people who took over in Picard Season 3. They're not good people who don't have good morals and have taken explicitly bad actions. Fuck the lot of 'em. I greatly dislike the fact that they're using the name of Star Trek while acting so counter to literally everything that Star Trek stands for. I'm frustrated and annoyed that they're not called out more often for abusing their position. That's why I made this stupidly long post despite my stomach devouring its own lining.

If you're on StarTrek.website, you're not likely going to be able to see this post on that specific instance for very long. So, if you have any friends who are on Startrek.website and want to let them know that the admins are doing this type of stuff, just check this out on lemmy.world and send that link specifically. And if this does get pulled off of Ye Power Tripping Bastards, a copy will be available on /c/Stamets@lemmy.world

You gotta give it to him though. He did what he said he would.

He subtracted every ounce of value from that website.

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[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 hours ago

solution: domain squatting

[–] millie@slrpnk.net 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Hey, I'm in this post!

If I remember correctly, I got banned for accusing ValueSubtracted of being essentially an advertiser. He's constantly flooding the feed with patch notes for STO and advertisements for merch. I assume he's being paid for this.

I did also tell him that his name describes what he's doing to the website.

The funny thing is, I saw this and was going to post here anyway, but didn't actually remember if I got banned or not. Well.. I guess I did! Nothing of value was lost.

Oh, I didn't see the screenshots somehow!Apparently you can see all this for yourself! :D

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I assume he's being paid for this

I genuinely don't know. Sometimes it does feel like it, other times it just feels like he's a fan and wants to post about it. But what I can tell you is that I also downvoted damn near every STO post that came across my feed when I was on ST.W too. Downvotes are supposed to be used as a tool to tell what content is supported by the community and that's what I did with my vote. What I would still do. The communities have so little content outside of those posts and nothing else is encouraged. Hell, I've been talking on and off with one of the dudes who designs the ships for STO. His Bsky alone is enough to have some good content for the community but none of that is being posted. It's just patch notes, event, patch notes, pc event, patch notes, console event...

[–] millie@slrpnk.net 5 points 12 hours ago

If it quacks like a duck.

I may be mistaken, but when I see someone doing their level best to turn a niche community into nothing but an advertising feed targeting that community specifically, that looks like paid advertising to me. It's certainly possible that he's just clueless about what constitutes quality content and is posting low-effort spam for attention, but this is at this point a pretty well known marketing strategy on other platforms. Reddit is inundated with this stuff.

The fact that he's also spending a good chunk of his time squashing any vote-based feedback on his constant spamming is also probably a pretty good indicator.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hey wut? I'm on this post now? Would you look at that.

And yeah, I've been banned on star trek subs many times now, people apparently don't agree with me that nu-trek ( basically all star trek after ST:ENT) has been... Shall we say, not star trek.

Granted, I've heard good things about prodigy, and SNW but I've heard "great" things about discovery for years and oh my God it is so bad, and no, discovery had nothing to do with what star trek was about. I've seen only 1,5 seasons of disco and I tossed it away

To my regret I went and watched Picard, all three godawful seasons, and it literally ruined TNG for me. I would watch TNG at least once a week since it came out, I always watched TNG until ST: Picard. It was so bad that it ruined TNG completely for me until (coincidentally) yesterday night when I watched TBOBW again and God it was good.

But with all the disappointments I gaf with new star trek, i just stopped watching all the new stuff. I'm sorry, I can't believe people anymore when they tell me "but this time, this time seriously, it's exactly like TNG man!!" because it's always awful vapid pew pew pew CGI fest drek that glorifies violence or being and asshole.

I also got banned a bunch of times I think for promoting "The orville" which IMHO is the true spiritual successor to TNG. Seriously, give it a chance. It disappeared way before it's time for a variety of reasons (fucking COVID amongst them) and the third and last season was disappointing, but the first two seasons are amazing and even haa its own TBOBW episodes. I can't recommend the Orville enough, try it!

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

people apparently don't agree with me that nu-trek ( basically all star trek after ST:ENT) has been... Shall we say, not star trek.

A lot of people do, but a few of the mods who are active in many star-trek comunities don't. And they actively try to push out people who disagree.

But with all the disappointments I gaf with new star trek, i just stopped watching all the new stuff. I'm sorry, I can't believe people anymore when they tell me "but this time, this time seriously, it's exactly like TNG man!!"

The best new show was unironically Lower Decks. The exaggerated, comedy cartoon about lower ranked people on a smaller ship.

I also got banned a bunch of times I think for promoting "The orville" which IMHO is the true spiritual successor to TNG.

The Orville is literally TNG fanfic made by someone owed enough favors from important people. It's good, but if you're a big fan of TOS and TNG, and other sci-fi shows of the era, you'll spend half the time going "Oh, it's that episode".

[–] millie@slrpnk.net 6 points 15 hours ago

I honestly kind of love Discovery, and Lower Decks is my second favorite Trek show (just behind DS9), but if we can't argue about what is and isn't good or is and isn't Trek-like on a Star Trek website, what's the point? Nerds arguing about nerd things is such a fundamental part of stuff like Star Trek that for a lot of people that trope is literally all they know about Star Trek!

Buuut for VS Star Trek is just about advertising, probably as a paid astroturfer, so of course anything other than praise is literally trolling!

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lol, Today Stamets woke up and chose violence.

PTB

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 14 points 1 day ago

No one else was calling them out so screw it. I will.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably the most detailed report I've ever seen here

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 15 points 1 day ago

Yet I still left tons of stuff out and could go on LONGER. I only stopped for my own sanity.

[–] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Resoundingly PTB behavior. If there were any doubts, they were stymied five thousand words in, obliterated in ten thou, and effectively torn apart at a subatomic level as the evidence further piled on.

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 9 points 1 day ago

I could keep going.

I might.

Value is not going to handle this well. Whatever situation he's in, he's angry and bitter at the moment. He's going to say that this is an attack on him, that I'm going scorched earth and that no one cares. He's going to try to make this an admin abuse level thing when in reality I'm just posting visible screenshots of their own modlog. He could call my bluff and just... turn the modlog off. But that would also perfectly demonstrate that not only are they being abusive to their users but then they'd also be willing to hide that abuse.

He's 100% a power tripping bastard and there is soooooooooooooooooo much evidence to document it.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

PTB for sure. I've had my own bad experiences with them, so I feel ya, OP. The admins/mods there to do not represent the same thing that their namesake does.

Go the Ro Laren route, and totally abandon Starfleet! (not counting her latest development tho--no spoilers)

Can't you just create your own new Star Trek community on your new instance?

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah. I wondered why a comment about "grimdark bullshit" got yoinked for "stay on topic"

I figured it was because i dared mention The Orville. Turns out it's just shitmuppetry. Close enough i s'pose

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that tracks. You were critical of new Star Trek and brought up The Orville as a comparison.

I don't think people realize how many different admin actions I just completely omitted. I gave up once I realized I was basically at 20,000 characters in the post.

And like... I love Newer Trek. I love Discovery. But just obliterating anything that's critical of the newer stuff is idiotic.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The people who trekhate on the orville are also...fucking christ, get over it. We all love galaxy quest do we not?

Ironically what i was thinking of when i wrote that comment was Picard.

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oh I cannot fucking stand The Orville. There are many many reasons I dislike it, which I listed but was kind of off topic. My blood sugar is low as hell and brain loopy.

That being said.

I would have just had a discussion in response to your comment and not fuckin' removed the comment. It's an option for discussion. Just shoving your head in the sand and screaming while removing anything critical isn't helpful to anyone.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Noooooo! pity, it grew the beard hugely, and their Pride month ep was the single hands down best one i've seen from any media whatsoever

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I have a lot of issues with the show that stem from two issues, one more so than the other. One is from the show itself and another is from some of it's more toxic fans. It really bothers me when people say "Orville is Real Star Trek" or "True Star Trek" because it's denying the multitudes that exist within Star Trek. It's not all the same and each show takes a different tone. There is no "Real Star Trek". It's all "Real Star Trek". When people phrase it like "It's more like the Trek I love", that I don't care about. But quite a few discussions I get into with people who are fans of the Orville tend to drift across the former line. Using it as a cudgell to attack Star Trek instead of using it as what it is, a love story to support Star Trek in a form that they love.

It sort of ruined the show for me. I used to like it but I also thoroughly love the Newer Treks. I felt like I was being forced to pick a side. My other issues with the show are fairly minor over-all.

For the record I'm not saying you're like that or anything. Just that a lot of times I end up in a conversation about The Orville where it feels like I need to pick between The Orville and anything Kurtzman has made. I pick Star Trek. Everytime.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oh god yes, the people who think the entirety of trek is TNG.

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS. You get what I mean.

These are the same people who would have had a full on stroke at DS9 and Voyager and then a catastrophic meltdown at Enterprise.

There's a line I like saying a lot because I believe it with every ounce of me.

Star Trek preaches that there is strength in diversity. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Why is that not allowed to apply to the shows themselves?

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 11 hours ago

I'm old enough to have been in my late teens when ds9 came out and yeah, they did lose their shit. And a lot of it was because Sisko was black (and Kira took zero shit)

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I like The Orville. I don't mind Discovery. I definitely need to watch more newer Trek. And I'm okay with everything you said because they're just fucking TV shows! We're allowed to have opinions about them, just like we have opinions about clothing. It doesn't make either of us wrong, just different.

Keep up the amazing meme generation.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 23 hours ago

Check out snw if you haven't, it's lovely. LD took me a bit, but like the orville it finds its feets.

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Exactly. There are only really three things that I find outright objectionable when it comes to not liking the new shows.

Claiming that it isn't "Real Star Trek" as if they're the only arbiter of what Trek is, or that Trek has only ever been one way. It's Trek. You can not like it but it's still Real Trek.
Dogwhistle bigotry. A lot especially revolves around Stamets as a gay character, Adira as an non-binary character and Grey as a trans character. Not liking their character is fine, maybe disagreeing with how it was handled (granted I thought it was perfect) okay, but there are certain things that people say that are ridiculous.
People saying that Alex Kurtzman is worse than Rick Berman. One of those men made new shows people don't like. The other one made new shows people didn't like at the time but also did such horrific things as refusing to allow an actress back on the show to play someone new unless her previous character was held prisoner and raped to death. You can say you don't like Alex's stuff over Rick. You can say that Rick is a better writer, although I'd heavily disagree. But saying that one is a worse person than the other is batshit insane.

And thanks <3

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

#2 you forgot the MASSIVE dogwhistles about Michael. I mean take or leave her but it was blatantly transparent which complainers had legit structure and which ones were reactionary "a black woman is the lead and i must screech"

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oh you're not wrong. My brain was just slowly shutting down and getting harder and harder to focus.

The complaint about her crying a lot rings especially hollow to me. Always comes across as "Woman (often black woman) is emotional therefore bad" where other male Captains were emotional too. Or ignoring the fact that her whole character was literally built around suppressing every emotion she has, trying to act like a Vulcan when she wasn't one, and now that emotional turmoil is literally part of the character.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Any time someone brings up the "emotional" line i point out kirk bluescreened emotionally so hard over a BOTW that Spock had to mind wipe him ...so maybe don't throw those stones

[–] Stamets@piefed.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Yep. I've got so many arguments in the backpocket against this crap. I especially love the people who scream about retcons. There wasn't any. You can argue that Burnham being Spocks sister is technically a retcon by the definition, but no lore was actively changed. Spock just didn't talk about her. Much like he didn't talk about his father, his wife or his brother...

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