"The only art form that Americans have invented, that will commend us down through the years to posterity, is a music born primarily in a community that has the historical memory of being unfree is a supposedly free land" - Ken Burns
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and because of rock, we now have death metal. thanks african americans!
edit: for people who are interested: https://musicmap.info/
eeeeeeeh.
I think death/tech death is where the blues influence starts being more vestigial, and it starts borrowing more from classical. Even Polka (what is a blastbeat but a fast polka beat?) Are the diminished scales really from blues? Do the blues musicians play straight 32nd notes the way classical musicians do?
From an evolutionary standpoint, it definately does, since blues to rock to sabbath to metal, but death metal onwards really feels distinct. Especially symphonic.
yea. classical started getting folded back in to the metal music with NWOBHM. a lot of the bands i grew up listening to (cannibal, morbid, deicide) grew up listening to stuff like maiden, priest, venom etc, which i can't stand oddly enough.
I call that a healthy cultural mix! 🤘😁🤘
stuff like maiden, priest, venom etc, which i can’t stand oddly enough.
first time you hear possessed seven churches hello you can't go back with your Iron Maiden
I'm not really a metal head and I'd never heard of Possessed / Seven Churches so I found it and gave it a listen.
My honest opinion is...meh. Musically it's an interesting track, arguably better than some Iron Maiden songs, but the vocals are the same muddy mess that ruins so many other metal bands.
If you listen to Seven Churches and then immediately play "Aces High" or "Run to the Hills" you will hear exactly what I'm talking about. It boils down to this; Jeff Becerra seems to love being buried in the music so he can growl out undecipherable lyrics while Bruce Dickinson is conveying at least as much vocal power while standing out from the music and being clear enough that you can hear the message.
It's just my opinion of course and honestly this is the same problem I've had with nearly every American Death Metal band. I don't know why most of them even bother having a vocalist as they are functionally useless.
Rock out to whatever moves ya' but I definitely wouldn't rank Possessed ahead of Iron Maiden.
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Dubstep has strong roots to Jamacian Dub. https://youtu.be/NUOeHoLCisw. Except for the dub guys, are actual wizards making all of their effects with analog technology.
Also reggea and dancehall come from Jamaica as well, incredible such a small country having so much influence.
such a small country
don't forget ska, which is wide ranging enough to have radio bands, but there's also a satanic ska band
Ska punk is my absolute favourite genre of music. Streetlight Manifesto, Less Than Jake, Faintest Idea, Mad Caddies, and the Suicide Machines are all bands I love, to name a few.
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Rock Steady too
Blues?
It's assumed here that rock is derived from blues
EDIT : Blues is blues, which is obviously black.
Blues is the plural of blue which is a different color from black according to modern color theory
Blues is the plural of blue which is a different color from black according to modern color theory
Big if true
Funk, Blues, R&B, Reggae, Bebop, Swing...
Techno came from black kids on Detroit listening to Kraftwerk and then exporting that sound back to Germany
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Punk
The band known as "death"
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL71xICgSKYzlEYreXb96htKm8sacZIa-0
I don't necessarily agree that they "invented" punk but Bad Brains definitely invented hardcore.
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I feel like the roots of basically all western mudic today are African American, if you consider techno to have come from hiphop/r&b and punk rock.
i was told in "music appreciation" class in college that, even though percussion has been around for ages, anything with a "beat" can be traced back to africans. rock n' roll got big because it was one of the first new things available through the radio, and kids at the time were sick of their parents' stuffy classical music
In Germany, we differentiate E- and U-Musik. E (Ernst) means "serious" and is classical music and stuff. U (Unterhaltung) = entertainment and is everything African American inspired (Jazz, Rock, Pop, hip hop, ...). This difference basically exists to devalue everything that isn't central European in origin
Yeah... Mozart's compositions definetly are only serious and not for entertainment at all. Stuff like... checks notes "Leck mich im Arsch" or the original text of "Bona Nox". /s
Adam Neely has a good video on this. Music is constantly judged on how well it conforms to "the harmonic style of 18th century European musicians"
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Except for traditional Folk from various European locations. I think this still counts as "Western Music", even if it isn't that popular.
If you consider the Western World to be purely Northern America, then I think you're right, since Native American tribes are normally not considered Western.
Imo, the best music comes from a mix of various cultures, I'm a huge fan of Folk Rock/Metal. (Rock and thus Metal obviously coming from Blues).
Definitly true and fair point, yes i meant pop music in western countries. Also still a lot of new classical music being released. I would be more right if i had said 'almost all genres of western pop music have Afro-American roots'.
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Most of Elvis early hits were ripoffs of black music
This scenario has happened so many zillion times it's not the least bit astounding - something becomes popular with a group of people, then another group and another, in spite of some people hating it or sometimes because of that, and the business world figures out how to make money off it.
Take country music, for example, and all the black parents who were afraid of it, but the black kids who loved it. /s
The trend is fetishizing black culture; music is just a part of that.
or, you know, black culture has been very prolific and makes good art so it appeals to a lot of people. I think calling it fetishizing is a bit insulting to the counter itself; as if it doesn't have its own merit.
dominating the art scene had been historically true of a lot of minorities in various countries. I guess art is one thing you can't take away from people easily.
I think it is fetishizing when you systemically oppress black people but coopt their art.
that's appropriation, and black people themselves are fetishized, but I don't know if that's appropriate to say about the culture.
The black people are being farmed for cash by the executives and stockholders.
"The Black Youth" were motivated to buy a whole new identity to relate to country. They are taking back something from white people. Buy buying the things to make them look country.
Things that were lacking buyers from traditional demographics because they had always been country. Now those companies have more people to sell to. Same owners tho.
That's the key fetish. Money.
Yeah my point is that thinking of it as fetishizing black culture is a very narrow view of a much more universal human behavior, where people like whatever they like without bothering to filter it by who found out about it first, and business people maks a buck out of any and every trend no matter where it came from.
Two things can be true.
What you're saying just isn't true, though, or at least doesn't explain the sheer fascination of contemporary white americans with mimicking every aspect of black culture
People have enjoyed mimicking each other the human race began. Things that originate in one culture often have broad appeal [shrug]. I wouldn't call it "sheer fascination" but whatever.
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