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The Senate has passed a bill making Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) the U.S.'s largest interior law enforcement agency with funding for Donald Trump's immigration enforcement agenda higher than most of the world's militaries, including Israel's.

Pending its passage in the House of Representatives, Trump's bill could mean a massive increase in ICE funding as part of an immigration enforcement agenda worth $150 billion over four years.

This figure is more than the annual military budget of Italy, which at $30.8 billion, is the world's 16th highest defense spender for this year according to tracker Global Fire Power.

It is also higher than military spending for Israel, ($30 billion), the Netherlands ($27 billion) and Brazil ($26.1 billion).

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[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 33 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

What a stupid thing to waste money on.

You could save some of that money and just enforce rules and fines on the people who hire undocumented workers. You'll get money from fines and people will stop hiring those without papers. It's almost like the problem will take care of itself.

Oh wait, that's right. This is all about hurting brown people, breaking up families, throwing sick kids in cages, and making them suffer.

Nevermind.

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 12 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It's a bit more than that. ICE can act outside the constitution within 100 miles of the border. We've really only seen this with warrantless searches but that's gonna expand.

[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 14 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Which covers like 2/3 of the US population.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 17 hours ago

It’s even more egregious than that; I’m pretty sure a court ruled a while ago that international airports count as borders too, for the purposes of ICE.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone take bets that ICE will start arresting political enemies?

[–] end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago
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[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I’d like to see them crack down on employers who pay substandard wages no matter who they’re trying to exploit. It does not bother me that anyone is hiring illegal immigrants specifically.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 17 hours ago

But, but it’s not the poor employers fault for taking advantage of illegal immigrants. That would be very unfair to our glorious job creators. /s

[–] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

O, we did this...and we decreased our revenue through tax cuts....while we sorta made up for that by fucking over millions of Americans in the process...but...the rich...will be richer...so thats nice.

[–] Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org 24 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

But we can't afford to feed kids or have medical care or research for cancers and diseases or build housing for everyone.

But we can buy expensive bombs galore to drop on families and build concentration camps.

Neat.

So, when do we all stop paying taxes and stop going to work and bring the whole system crashing down to stop this madness?

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 11 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Just waiting for a large group to start a movement to call for the general strike. We all need to agree on when we start otherwise small pockets of strikers will just get fired. We need the collective to start all at once so we protect each other's jobs by being unanimous.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 20 hours ago

Today would have been a good day to start it. People would mostly be off to get their affairs in order.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

We could probably hand out a third of that as cash if they left voluntarily.

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If the GOP left voluntarily, we could save a LOT more than a third... it's not even comparable

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Is anyone still pretending ICE is about immigration? ICE is Trump's SS, and they just got funding beyond any dictator's wildest dreams. Good luck with your totalitarian police state.

Edit: I want to retract my last sentence. It was callous and stupid. My heart aches for the people who fought against this.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Don't worry, the gun nuts will stand up against the totalitarian regime.

[–] ExploitedAmerican@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

The left need to arm themselves asap

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The real problem will likely end up being that civilians can't own the firepower the US military/police have, legally. No full auto, no giant drums, no grenades, no missiles, no fighter jets. Even if it were a "well-regulated militia" one fighter/bomber could take them all out, and be marketed on some made up news articles as, "we stopped the terrorists, you're safe now."

If it really came down to it, such a battle would be very one-sided, so it would have to be more strategic guerilla tactics.

Oh, and the SS just got a huge budget increase, so that won't help. (As seen above.)

[–] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its probably time we all become the gun nuts at least while they still let us

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There were already talks in the p2025 circles about ceasing civilian firearms in some fashion and then allowing "permits" at some future time for "loyal" gun owners. Wouldn't be surprised if they'll still try it.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Actually really curious as to the exact wording of this.

Because I wonder if this one in particular were better publicized, if it would turn some percentage of hardcore single-issue 2A types against the regime, if they put their money where their (very loud) mouths are.

It seems like it wouldn't work, but I imagine if we can broadcast a lot of "Are you STILL so sure they're not the bad guys?!" messages with receipts, it could eventually change some minds.

Even if they want to get back to arguing with us over the dinner table when the dust settles, we need everyone we can get.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 2 points 19 hours ago

Any moment now 🫠

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

That's how it was supposed to be, until the Right co-opted firearms as an entire personality, and the liberal response was to spread ignorance, miseducation, and fear about them so that their party branding looked different enough.

So now all the insecure, hateful, scared-of-everybody violence-fantasists are armed, knowledgeable, and stocked.

And those that would oppose authoritarianism en masse were force-fed "Only cops and the military should be armed and the rest of us should just wish they didn't exist".

So they're now largely rendered toothless and clawless normies who think flash hiders, rail grips, and black paint make a weapon "more lethal." And don't know what to do with themselves if pickets and law systems don't have an effect.

Meanwhile the "patriotic" bullies ramble about "freedom" and "small government" whilst simping for their fascist overlords unopposed by any actual threat.

Like most loud bullies, most are the types that would likely break if met with any actual opposition that could do them harm.

I don't want to see it come to this, but we need to educate and train ourselves before it's too late. The threat alone might be enough to put them in their place.

It's very clear nobody is coming to save us from this worsening state of affairs.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you want to put 250m subjects under the boot, you simply need a well-funded American GeStaPo.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I appreciate a lot of the harassment campaigns around tracking and interfering with ICE. These should continue and escalate.

This extrajudicial black-bag unmarked-personnel van-kidnapping bullshit should carry unacceptable risk and highly visible negative public optics for those who keep attempting it.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Seems like it’s time to for people to learn about sustained direct action campaigns.

Rev Left Radio had a great interview earlier this year with a member of Palestine Action about their extremely successful direct action campaign against Israeli weapons manufacturer Elbit. While the media would have you believe that Palestine Action is an ineffective bunch of clowns, they have already forced the closure of two weapons factories in England and forced Barclays Bank to divest from Elbit through sustained sabotage campaigns. Their incredible success is the actual reason the UK government has named them a terrorist organization, not just for spray painting some planes.

https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/size/5/?search=Palestine+action

For legal reasons, I am not encouraging anyone to break any laws.

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

So now they are the biggest millitary and paramilitary spender. Cool.

[–] Psiczar@aussie.zone 52 points 1 day ago (7 children)

We’re probably nearing the point where Americans will start trying to get over the border wall and into Mexico.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Honestly been looking into it. If things go south enough, I’ve thought about driving down that way. Closer than Canada. I’d have to get through Texas, but teaching math in Mexico City sounds nice.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In Mexico right now. It's beautiful, the people are friendly, cost of living is easily half that of the States, and the food is spectacular.

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[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

My brother lived in Mexico City about a decade ago. We're from the US. MC always had a bad rep, but like many things, it was overblown. Worst part of the city is the traffic. Public transport can be a little tight. Gotta get used to whatever lives in the water. Otherwise, I always enjoyed visiting. There was the one time there was an earthquake while I was on the roof of a high-rise, we don't get those in Jersey, but that's a fluke.

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Daily reminder to all ICE agents. By signing up for ICE, you have signed yourself up for a lifetime of fear and criminal liability. There are Nazi concentration camp guards that were tried for their crimes in their 90s. There is no statute of limitations on crimes against humanity. Your names are recorded; your deeds are known. And you will face justice for your crimes. And do not count on a blanket pardon saving you. Crimes against humanity are violations of international law that cannot be pardoned.

That’s something I’ve thought about a lot; these people are going to war with their society, and their and their family’s names and addresses are one data breech away from public knowledge.

Fortunately the government is protecting them by mass layoffs and encouraging mass retirements from anyone involved in data security.

My personal bingo card has the families of some these people dropped off in the chihuahaun desert if they piss off the cartels.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gestapo. They're Nazi Gestapo. Treat them as they deserve.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd argue they are more like the SS at this point. Consider: the point of the Gestapo was to police the German population and root out internal threats to the Nazis. The SS, on the other hand, were a military branch that were responsible for eradication of the "undesirable elements". I feel like the latter is a more fitting mold for ICE.

[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The SS had many tasks. One of them was to protect the regime against coups from the army or SA.

At the beginning the SA also ran concentration camps, the SS took them over soon.

SS, Gestapo, and regular police were all under Himmler’s command via the Reichssicherheitshauptamt.

Gestapo was formed from preexisting secret political police forces.

Trumpism operates differently than Nazism. However Trump needs a loyal oppression infrastructure to build a more authoritarian system. ICE is on its way to enable that.

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[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Remember when republican removed about how much we spent on immigration?

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 76 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There's no way they need all those people and resources if they're only going after illegal immigrants. They're going to start disappearing their other targets too. People of Colour, Democrats, LGBTQ, scientists. Get in line. I hope you're ready for what we know is coming.

First they came for the immigrants...

[–] walktheplank@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

They skipped the disabled. They've been killing them for centuries.

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