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[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Signal isn't federated ^[1][2][3.1]^; it's decentralized ^[1][2][3.2]^. Though, for all practical purposes, I would generally argue that it's centralized.

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  1. Signal-Server. signalapp. Github. Published: 2025-01-31T15:34:14.000Z. Accessed: 2025-02-01T09:24Z. https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server.
    • This is the source code for the server that Signal uses.
  2. "Signal (software)". Wikipedia. Published: 2025-01-06T09:34Z. Accessed: 2025-02-1T09:30Z. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software).
    • ¶"Architecture". ¶"Servers".

      Signal relies on centralized servers that are maintained by Signal Messenger. In addition to routing Signal's messages, the servers also facilitate the discovery of contacts who are also registered Signal users and the automatic exchange of users' public keys. […]

  3. "Reflections: The ecosystem is moving". moxie0. Signal Blog. Published: 2016-05-10. Accessed: 2025-02-01T09:40Z. https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/.
    1. ¶5. to ¶"Stuck in time". ¶3-6

      One of the controversial things we did with Signal early on was to build it as an unfederated service. Nothing about any of the protocols we’ve developed requires centralization; it’s entirely possible to build a federated Signal Protocol-based messenger, but I no longer believe that it is possible to build a competitive federated messenger at all. […] [interoperable protocols] [have] taken us pretty far, but it’s undeniable that once you federate your protocol, it becomes very difficult to make changes. And right now, at the application level, things that stand still don’t fare very well in a world where the ecosystem is moving. […] Early on, I thought we’d federate Signal once its velocity had subsided. Now I realize that things will probably never slow down, and if anything the velocity of the entire landscape seems to be steadily increasing.

    2. ¶"Stuck in time". "Federation and control". ¶6.

      An open source infrastructure for a centralized network now provides almost the same level of control as federated protocols, without giving up the ability to adapt. If a centralized provider with an open source infrastructure ever makes horrible changes, those that disagree have the software they need to run their own alternative instead. It may not be as beautiful as federation, but at this point it seems that it will have to do.

[–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For the avid readers out there, bookwyrm is a fantastic alternative to goodreads.

https://joinbookwyrm.com/

[–] Matombo@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Signal is not Fediverse! Element/Matrix is!

[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Don't use Matrix the devs knew about sidechannel vulnerabilities and ignored them for years. This is peak negligence and should immediately disqualify you from touching anything security related.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Element/matrix aren't part of the fediverse, either. It doesn't speak AP.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Matrix is federated, Signal is not.

[–] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

although it is federated, it isn't apart of the fediverse, as it doesn't use activitypub.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I’d argue it’s part of “the fediverse” but not “The Fediverse”.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Don't worry, your successor isn't offering anything big. You'll still be around for many more days to come.

[–] iwasnormalonce@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can anyone send me a link to the android version of loops.video, I can't see it on the play store

[–] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] iwasnormalonce@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've never downloaded anything from GitHub before. How does it work? Do I need to manually update the app when a new version comes out?

[–] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We have Obtainium for that. Install it from the universal apk on their site, then add https://github.com/joinloops/loops-app/releases as a source and Obtainium will handle the updates for you.

[–] iwasnormalonce@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Okay I'll give that a crack, thank you

[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Signal is centralized, loops is closed source and not accepting new users.

[–] Esmoreit@lemmings.world 0 points 2 months ago

Loops will be open sourced later they say.

Is Loops open source? It will be! We plan on open sourcing the platform after it reaches a stable and easy to maintain state.

[–] Ghosthacked@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago

BlueSky is the transfer from X. Mastodon isn't it bro

[–] GrammarPolice@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago

Mastodon ❌

Bluesky ✅