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Schumer publicly said he would support the shutdown, the privately lead a (very) small group of congressional democrats to vote for cloture. he basically led a mutiny against against the senate democrats he purportedly leads.
How can anyone- never mind fellow senators, and representatives- trust him to follow through?
"SENATE leader faces pressure from HOUSE Democrats" sounds great until you realize they have no means to force it to happen because they're in the other chamber of Congress.
I want to know where the fuck is the "pressure" from other Democratic Senators who could actually apply consequences!
It's still good for the House Dems to be doing this, though, calling attention to the problem so more people will call their Dem senators demanding that they take action as well.
Sure, it doesn't hurt, but House Democrats' focus should be on denouncing the quislings in their own chamber, since those are the ones they have the power to apply consequences to.
If that's happening, I haven't read any news about it.
Otherwise, having the Democrats criticize only across chambers while remaining silent within them starts to feel more like a tactic of avoiding accountability than one of applying it.
Only one House Dem voted yes on it (Jared Golden of Maine). So it passed 217-213 because R's have the majority and one of them defected as well. So House Dems are holding together pretty well, but as long as the R's also hold together there's nothing they can do to stop them.
Only the Senate D's could have stopped the bill, by voting against cloture (even though Dems are in the minority, cloture requires 60 votes). But not only Schumer but 9 other quislings (8 D's and 1 I) voted with the fascists. List of them here. But Schumer is Leader so if he had taken a stand against it, probably some of those other 9 would have followed his lead and it could have been stopped.
I want to know where the fuck is the “pressure” from other Democratic Senators who could actually apply consequences!
too busy clutching pearls and massaging their stock portfolios
Put Bernie in charge. We need someone with a heart that beats.
I'm surprised that Sanders is older than both Trump and Biden but retains about twice as much virility as either of them and about four times as much sanity as Trump
Not being a piece of shit tends to have a positive impact on the longevity of your brain, it seems. Yes, I'm calling Biden a piece of shit too.
Biden is like Zaphod Bebblebrox, he had his brain split into two. But the older he gets the less he can control which part is talking.
It kills me because he did have a heart issue during the 2020 campaign and it really did kill some momentum he had. But obviously it didn't last in any substantive way.
The DNC would never let him. That's the world we are in. The nominal opposition party is too concerned with fundraising and just not being the fascist party to do a damn thing.
We need a leftist tea party or a new party. Both are huge hills to climb, but I don't see the Democrats doing shit.
DNC plan is to swoop in at election time with a batch of zionist war criminal candidates who offer to shit the bed 5% less than trump does, and see if that works.
I wish I was joking but thats literally their plan. Wait for trump to irritate us enough to accept what the donors want without any changes. They learned absolutely nothing in the past 2 decades.
It's so damn frustrating
The tea party was not an organic movement. It was vastly manufactured and funded by billionaires as a Trojan horse for their current Project 2025 agenda. Having billions funneled into your movement makes a huge difference in its success.
The Tea Party movement was well funded to distract from the real working class people’s movement the Occupy Wall Street movement
Four times???? We're almost diving by zero here. Sanders is basically infinity times more sane.
Bernie isn't a Democrat, there's zero possibility that Senate Democrats would choose him to be their leader.
Well maybe not 0 possibility.
However seeing as he couldn't give less of a shit what democrats want will choose to remain in office as Republicans request
He's a loser. The Democratic party is full of losers. They lose election after election and still the same losers keep running the ship.
It's worth discussing what Trump would do with a government shutdown, but Schumer seems so out of touch.
Why can't AOC's politics take hold 😞
because AOC's politics would mean Schumer's ~~book sales~~ bribes start falling.
I'd like to see him step up to a guillotine. We can't all get all the things we'd like.
Schumer was faced with a lose-lose, so he chose the losier-lose of agreeing with the Pricktator rather than the winnier-won of fighting fascism.
I think I alliterated all over myself.
" they were not fooled by the vote for it on cloture and vote against it on final passage."
I love how they're openly admitting this is a trick now, when so many Blue MAGA people fell all over themselves to justify it when they've done it in the past.
If we are deporting random people for nonsense reasons, how do we add Schumer to that list? I heard him utter some antisemitic things, I swear. I felt threatened on semites behalf and laws are laws, right.
/s I'm just kidding, about "laws being laws"
Schumer is right. A shut down would have allowed trump to enact emergency powers and then there would be no further votes.
trump is going ahead and doing whatever he wants anyway, regardless of laws or court orders, with the full support of the R party which is in the majority in both Houses anyway.
Wondering, could it be some high stakes gamble by Schumer - let the Republicans gut SS and Medicare in the hopes of picking up massive support in the midterms? If it goes wrong and there isn't a surge in support, then only 10 Dems ate exposed to voter wrath, and how many of the 10 are up for re-election soon?
The thing is, he's playing chess while the Republicans don't give a fuck what chess is and are just flipping all the tables with games on them.
Well, that certainly would be the typical Democratic strategy: concede the game hoping that they get a good sportsmanship award.
Only 10 dems. And a population now struggling with health an retirement concerns.
Not saying I agree with the strategy, just wondering if that was his thinking.
I would say that is unlikely.
I work with a lot of really really old CPAs and lawyers, and they are just completely delusional about how hard things really are for younger generations.
"Have you tried working harder?"
"How come you haven't bought a house? We pay you [not] well!"
"My children are struggling too, I had to buy each of them their homes. Maybe ask your [destitute] parents for help?"
"Back in my day, we worked so much harder. You guys have it so easy! By the way, I cannot open this PDF and I need you to work 70hrs this week."
"There is a right way to doing things-- even if that way completely fucks you over because you have no labor protections."
Torn on this. I see Schumer's point that shutdown could be riskier, but I also feel the Democrats need to do fucking something to resist the ruling party.
I must be stupid.
If Maga wanted a shutdown (because Trump could "do things"), what stops them from voting "no" themselves and getting the shutdown they so desperately want? Nothing makes sense anymore.
Because it's win/win for them. And if they voted against the shutdown, and it happened, they can blame Democrats (they would anyway, but this would lend credence).
Either way, they continue to cripple our federal government.