Ask Lemmy

Those videos have actually shown me how often police investigations are an absolute clown show actually

This isn't surprising at all, it seems like a type of selection bias. Most people prefer to see the conclusion of a story, so crime stories where the criminals are caught make better stories. You know what else makes for a better story? Having a cop that was involved give a firsthand account. Bad bumbling cops naturally don't make it onto these kinds of shows.

Yeah.

If they are actually doing documentary work, they have to suck up to the cops so that the cops will cooperate with them. If they're too critical, they'll stop getting help.

If they're just rehashing Wikipedia or doing reaction content then they're adding nothing anyway

My partner and I quit watching these after I pointed out that they usually cover small town murders, and almost every time the crime is eventually solved, it's because the local police suck it up and finally ask for help from the state or FBI who actually know what they're doing. Similarly, the videos of cold cases that aren't yet solved rarely mention any involvement of more competent higher levels of police in the investigation.

I was overhearing a crime video my grandma was watching and holy shit the narrator could not be verbally sucking cop dick harder

There has been a fair amount of analysis of the social role of 'true crime' as a genre. To boil it way, way down, it's about creating a representation of human evil to let people feel essentially righteous. It is peak centrism, uplifting the status quo by placing it as opposition to the unquestionedly heinous, and with it, current structures, like cops as law enforcement.

We sometimes watch stuff like this and I will point out when they are coming out with something bullshit.

Like a police officer saying how dangerous escooters are because someone was killed a few months ago by one. Cars kill multiple people a day.

So do the fictional detective shows that are constantly popular for decades now. Propaganda.

What do you expect, do you want a crime documentary to sympathize with the criminals?

I mean it depends which ones are you watching.

True crime series usually deal with crimes where the perpetrator is undeniably guilty, and typically of very heinous crimes. It shows cases where the police is correctly doing what should be their job.

If there are any videos that show "we assaulted a random person on the street" type of police work in a positive way, I haven't seen it yet.

JCS criminal psychology is 100% copaganda. It presents cop interrogation techniques as a kind of science, as if the Reid technique wasn’t all about deliberately misunderstanding body language and coercing innocent people to confess.

Skip Intro has a good series on Copaganda. Talks about TV shows/fiction, but a lot of the messaging is the same.

Cops exist to protect property, not you.

If you want a good non-copaganda documentary though, Errol Morris’s The Thin Blue Line is a worthwhile classic.

Copaganda is real

They are high-key copaganda. It’s overt and blatant.

What portion of these documentaries talk about false convictions, for instance?

im just not a fan of the true crime industry. it makes me feel ill

People like to feel that there is justice and that bad guys get caught. Serial killers and the source of info (mostly police departments) makes for low hanging fruit. To get less biased info would take more work. It is possibly different outside the US.

I mean these tend to focus on actual crimes and not like police coverups or misbehavior. I bet though police misbehavior documentaries would get good traffic though. I can tell you there are some good subjects of topic from chicago.

John Oliver does a great segment on the TV show 'Law and Order' and this exact phenomenon. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DNy6F7ZwX8I

If you like true crime and also someone not afraid to call out when the cops fuck up, I recommend Bailey Sarian. Love her "Honey let me TELL YOU" vibe, but that'll be a turn off for some people so YMMV.

I don't recall cops coming up much in Barely Sociable but he's great too though he hasn't posted in a while, and his stuff is less true crime and more mysterious stuff in general.

There’s a YT video by Fern that goes over a story about some german cops burning a drunken black man alive and covering it up. Non-copaganda crime documentaries exist, although they’re rare. I love crime media, but I always take it with a grain of salt since the genre is generally pretty biased.

Netflix had a few really good ones that showed how the cops lied or bungled things.

They might just rely on police reports Because they don't have the resources to do actual investigation.