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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I remember constant complaints of "The Dems didn't even TRY anything, they should have proposed bills even if they knew it would fail!" before the second Trump presidency.

Now it seems the chorus has changed to "I can't believe they're trying something they know will fail!"

Curious.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem is that when they decide to grow a tiny bit of spine this is what they use it for. Like, even if this bill passed it'd mean nothing in two months as the rest of democracy is dismantled around it. It's like seeing a serial killer break into your home and deciding it's a good time to wash the dishes. I mean don't get me wrong, pushing bills alone is very inadequate for supposed opposition leaders during a fascist takeover either way, but pushing LGBT rights bills? They're not even at the starting line with that.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Like, even if this bill passed it’d mean nothing in two months as the rest of democracy is dismantled around it

Okay. There are two core problems with this:

  1. Even fascist regimes are reliant on a highly procedural state bureaucracy in which law can still be used to delay and frustrate fascist aims - this was true even in Nazi Germany at the height of WW2, wherein lawyers associated with the resistance used legal and procedural methods that predated the Nazi takeover, and some that post-dated it, to buy time and save lives. If the fascist regime is intent on killing an individual it singles out for whatever reason, it will kill them regardless of the bureaucracy; but for the vast machinations of killing or imprisoning large amounts of people, procedural methods still have validity as tools in reducing, delaying, and even reversing individual cases. If this bill passed, and for the record I think it has a snowball's chance in hell of doing so, it would be amongst the tools which would reduce the damage the fascist regime is capable of inflicting going forward, even if not in any way a replacement for real action by society against the fascist regime.

  2. What the fuck are they supposed to be doing, as legislators, if not shit like this? There's no fillibuster in the House, no major delaying tactics. You could advocate for starting brawls, like another commenter did, but other than achieving the expulsion of remaining Dems with spine from the legislature, which would seem to me a negative consequence rather than a positive, I don't really know what that's supposed to accomplish more than you or me going down to the Capitol and throwing hands with Generic McFascist (R-Iowa).

pushing LGBT rights bills? They’re not even at the starting line with that.

Considering that LGBT folk are at the forefront of who this fascist regime is intent on persecuting? Would beg to fucking differ.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

its more like senator warren introducing the flag legislation which was meaniningless.

[–] obscureprodigy@pawb.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

who the fuck was saying that other than your fellow coward-ass liberals?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The same kinds of Very Serious Leftists who are now saying spontaneous revolutionary action is the only solution that is acceptable.

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