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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, he really was decent for a pope. And I think he might have been more decent as a pope if he had his way entirely. He really seemed like he wanted more compassion and change than he was able to make happen.

[–] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 1 points 4 months ago

Nobody can't change an institution like the Vatican in a few years, but I guess he tried.

Hopefully the new one will not be a conservative one.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Decent for a pope isn’t saying much when he wasn’t decent as a person. Homophobic slur using piece of shit he was behind closed doors.

[–] sai_mi@infosec.pub 1 points 4 months ago

My mother is a divorcée. In 90s Ireland, she was demonized by the Catholic Church, and was publicly refused communion by the local priest after she left my (at the time alcoholic and abusive) father. She had a crisis of faith after all that and accepted the "fact" that she was doomed to hell while her five children would go to heaven. She quietly accepted this and from then on refused communion at all events, making up excuses with us none the wiser.

In the mid 2000s, I came out as gay and following that, spurred by the church's cruel treatment of my mother, left the church via apostasy. I had to tell my mother in detail as I was no longer allowed to be buried in a Catholic graveyard. She laminated the letter confirming my leaving of the church from the bishop.

In the mid 2010s she and I campaigned for Marriage Equality together. She told me about her crisis of faith. She also told me how I helped her through the other side of it just by existing. Before she thought all her children would be separated from her after death. But heathen that I was had equally doomed myself to join her. Logically that would make hell lesser. Logically that means the more sinners in hell, the less hellish it is. Therefore hell in its most hellish is empty, and the whole threat is bullshit whether you believe in an afterlife or not.

The fucking POPE saying something like this is huge, and very important for people that carry a burden of Catholic guilt. Good on him, and RIP.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They only added Hell in the Middle Ages (even the name comes from the Vikings). It’s like when comics make the canon needlessly complicated in later years because they have to keep going no matter what.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's definitely not the origin of Hell but okay

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've been learning a lot about biblical history and early Christianity lately. To be clear: as a layperson. Ie I've been listening to podcasts by biblical scholars, and reading Wikipedia articles. I'm not an expert but I'm an interested lay person. I've been doing this as a person that doesn't believe in the supernatural, because I'm interested in history and sociology, I haven't been learning about hell specifically but more the context influence of Early Christianity.

Early Judaism understood the afterlife to be a sort of sleep/slumber/torpor.

Greek concepts of hades had an influence on early Christianity.

The Book of Revelation was kinda like a revenge fantasy for early Christians experiencing persecution by the Greco-Roman empire.

The lake of fire was not for human souls.

There's also something about souls being fed into an eternal furnace, but the furnace is consuming the souls so the souls are destroyed through incineration, not eternally tormented.

I know a lot of current hell imagery is drawn from Dante's Inferno which is medieval I think, but I haven't really gotten that far in my learning about Christianity.

[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

I guess if you consider the 1300s medieval times. Dante’s inferno was written around that time, which is actually after the renaissance had already started. But it’s still technically the Middle Ages I think. Time is weird, but it’s the very late Middle Ages