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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Caring about your employees as if they were humans.

[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Your caveman brain. People think they're educated an enlightened and everything they do now is so well thought out. Nope, the caveman is in the driving seat for all of us. Even your most high level meetings and interviews are influenced by how hungry, horny, or hurt you are by a teasing comment yesterday. Everyone is looking to establish dominance at any cost, when you don't really need to.

[–] butsbutts@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] VirusMaster3073@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

I love collecting CDs

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago

Buttons, knobs, plastic bezels.

At least according to the industry those are all in the past. The future is screens that go to the very edge of the device and absolutely nothing tactile.

And it is bullshit. It is less reliable, less convenient, less cool -- To say nothing of the safety disaster that nailing a tablet computer to the dashboard of every car has been.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 month ago

Guillotines

[–] phampyk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] subunit317@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I started self hosting my own RSS feed a few years ago, and I couldn't live without it. It's the best way to get timely info.

And then you can be the first one to post it on lemmy.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago

Wrist watches. Extremely convenient, even when your phone is buried or you don't want to be distracted.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Tape drives. Remember those big reels of tape on mainframes in the 80s? They don't look exactly like that anymore, but tape is still used for backups/long term archival because they offer the lowest cost per gigabyte and decent longevity without needing to be powered, as long as you don't need to access the data all that fast or often.

Those dank memes and cat videos you posted in 2010 are probably on tape in a data centre somewhere

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Pretty much anything in a machine shop made in the last 80 years or so. So many people turn up their noses at anything that isn't computer controlled anymore. Yknow what a big old mill can do that a CNC can't? It can make every single part needed to make a new mill. It's a self replicating machine with the right know how. People don't respect that kind of quality anymore.

[–] Noobnarski@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think a mill can make the copper windings in the motor and isolate them. Same with the power cable.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

You don't need an electric motor. You just need enough spin. I've seen old mills and lathes that run on steam. An electric motor just happens to be very convenient with our current technology.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Can a CNC not do that for just the mechanical parts?

(I know way too much about bootstrapping semiconductor production at small scale, which seems to be viable but highly impractical)

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, but it's not as impressive (imo) when you also need a computer control system, a bunch of circuitry and electronics, and a whole mess of software to make it work in the end. A mill just needs enough spin and it runs exactly as intended.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah, I have a copy of the Gingery books and I love it.

I haven't seen Gingery into how much power you need exactly, or what blend of RPM vs. torque is ideal. What would be your guess, since it sounds like you might know?

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Torque is the real limiting factor. You can always gear up or down for whatever you're working on, but at the end of the day you need enough torque to get the work done. And a proper milling machine needs A LOT of torque.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can you give me some typical values, maybe? That would be a big help.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There are no "typical values" when you're running a mill or lathe. You could look up "speeds and feeds", but that's really just a table that you plug into an equation to figure out how to set the machine. It all depends on what you're doing and what you're doing it with. Drilling a hole with a high speed steel drill bit is going to be a bit different than drilling it with a carbide spade, and all that is going to depend heavily on whether you're trying to run through titanium or tin. You need to fine tune running "x" bit through "y" material for a "z" sized cut.

Essentially, this is the knowledge that separates skilled labor from manual labor, and machining is (was, RIP cnc button pushers) skilled labor.

At the end of the day for most metal machining you'll need between 50hp and 100hp to be up to modern standards. If you want to get that through steam or electric motors or whatever that's up to you

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks, that's really helpful. I suppose it makes sense that not just material but cut size and bit would matter. They usually focus just on the geometry on YouTube.

Out of curiosity, what's the lowest you've ever gone? It's hard to picture machining happening at something like 60RPM.

If you want to get that through steam or electric motors or whatever that’s up to you

Since I'm interested in technological bootstrapping more generally, I think most about water wheels, actually! Steam engines need to be machined, which is a chicken-and-egg problem (or I guess crafted freehand to a machining-like precision, like Vaucanson's lathe). Electric motors don't necessarily, but they need a source of electricity, and that's either a lot of batteries or another rotating power source, which again doesn't solve the problem.

Waterwheels can be made with hand tools - maybe even primitive tools - and can achieve surprisingly modern efficiency and power density. They do require the right topography, but then again they spin indefinitely without needing to be fueled. 50hp is still a sizable wheel, near the top of what existed in pre-modern times, but I'm guessing you can do basic things with an underpowered machine.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

You'd be surprised how slow machining can be. Cutting speeds are all in sfm (surface feet per minute) and when you have a BIG part, them feets add up quick. Check out videos of big old vertical lathes running big parts. You can get down to a quarter of an rpm but the flange or fitting is so fucking huge that you're still pushing 100-200 sfm at the bit.

[–] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

IRC: simplest way of communicating online, and a bouncer can be availed for free

Forums: great store of knowledge and friendly, helpful people. If you ask a question in discord, nobody will ever see the answer again.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why use IRC when you could use matrix

[–] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 1 points 3 weeks ago

Because even IRC is better than matrix

[–] KokusnussRitter@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

CDs/DVDs/BluRays

I don't want to support Spotify, which is owned by tencent. I don't want to spend a fortune on streaming services. I don't want to sell my data to google by using YouTube, and I want to be able to listen to music/ watch movies when offline.

[–] DrainKikoLake@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

I love all of those things! Whenever I hit up a thrift store, the media section is my first stop. I've gotten so many great CDs and movies for next to nothing that way.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fax machines. Phone lines are pretty private, and sending a fax is usually more secure than emailing something, especially if someone else manages your email.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also all of german bureaucracy still works only with fax

[–] Dosukoi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 month ago

It somehow suprises me but also not really thinking how traditionalist they are

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fax machines. Government and medical offices would grind to a halt without them. That's just reality.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because it can do something that the alternatives can't do or because they refuse to use something more modern?