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The Privacy Iceberg

This is original content. AI was not used anywhere except for the bottom right image, simply because I could not find one similar enough to what I needed. This took around 6 hours to make.

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(I tried my best)

The background is an iceberg with 6 levels, denoting 6 different levels of privacy.

The tip of the iceberg is titled "The Brainwashed" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing to hide". The logos depicted in this section are:

The surface section of the iceberg is titled "As seen on TV" with a quote beside it that says "This video is sponsored by...". The logos depicted in this section are:

An underwater section of the iceberg is titled "The Beginner" with a quote beside it that says "I don't like hackers and spying". The logos depicted in this section are:

A lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Enthusiast" with a quote beside it that says "I have nothing I want to show". The logos depicted in this section are:

An even lower section of the iceberg is titled "The Privacy Activist" with a quote beside it that says "Privacy is a human right". The logos depicted in this section are:

The lowest portion of the iceberg is titled "The Ghost". There is a quote beside it that has been intentionally redacted. The images depicted in this section are:

  • A cancel sign over a mobile phone, symbolizing "no electronics"
  • An illustration of a log cabin, symbolizing "living in a log cabin in the woods"
  • A picture of gold bars, symbolizing "paying only in gold"
  • A picture of a death certificate, symbolizing "faking your own death"
  • An AI generated picture of a person wearing a black hoodie, a baseball cap, a face mask, and reflective sunglasses, symbolizing "hiding ones identity in public"

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[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

Just tell the normie that you have nothing to say if you have nothing to hide. Also, why there's no F-Droid?

[–] civilcoder@lemm.ee 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Kudos for inclusive alt texting!!

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[–] mycamgirl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I wouldn't put Telegram at that level. I would put it in "The Brainwashed." Its encryption is disabled by default. You need to manually enable it on each chat, and you can't enable it on group chats. The app gives a false sense of privacy. Telegram flaunts its end-to-end encryption, but it never mentions that it is disabled by default, and it refuses to enable the default. The final result is that people are not using the feature.

A cryptographer and professor wrote a good piece about Telegram's encryption, calling it "unusual" and the "non-standard authenticated encryption mode ever invented": Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app?

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 274 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I think this is the first time I've seen an iceberg meme with sources and explanations for each item. Fantastic. Your work is appreciated.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 55 points 4 days ago

To be honest, and it wouldn't work here, but I sometime enjoy the cryptic nature of iceberg memes at the lower ranks. It's like a scavenger hunt.

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[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 103 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Funny how you need more and more technical knowledge to go deeper into privacy, until the last level, which is basically giving up on technology itself.

[–] wolfinthewoods@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The last level is living in a cabin in the woods and writing manifestos about industrial society and the ills of technology O_o

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[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's genuinely wild that Firefox and LibreWolf are nowhere on these

[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Probably because people above the waterline don't know Mozilla exists, and people below have seen how things have been going lately.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't like hackers and spying

brave

lol. lmao, even.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago

A beginner will choose what seems private, regardless of whether or not it actually is.

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[–] sharps9@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

ExpressVPN is an arm of Israeli intelligence and should be on the tip of the iceberg: https://www.reuters.com/technology/expressvpn-employees-complain-about-ex-spys-top-role-company-2021-09-23/

All users should cancel their accounts immediately.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 41 points 3 days ago

"As seen on TV" does not imply privacy, it just implies a large advertising budget. These are software that market themselves as private (and are sometimes better than nothing at all) but may still be just as bad as software on the tip of the iceberg.

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[–] PeteWheeler@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for providing this. It is obvious you put a lot of time into this. Truly appreciated. I will have to look into these.

How did you find these yourself?

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[–] mmhmm@lemmy.ml 110 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I was at the bike shop a few weeks back and a ghost walked in. He came in wearing a medical mask covered by a bandana, sunglasses, cap. They wore gloves, long sleaved pants and shirt.

First question from staff, 'this a robbery?'

Ghost, 'no, I just need 27 2.5 tubes, miss.'

They get the tubes, he agrees. Staff asks if he has an account. Ghost says, "nope, why would I need one?" Staff says they do it for records, insurance claim assist, and discounts. Ghost goes with a John Doe, pays cash and peaces the fuck out.

Total King, but dude was given up a lot. Half of us were drinking beers enjoying a warm evening in spring. I hope he has had some good rides.

I can say with confidence thay he was a white male. In his 50s. About 5'10". 140 lbs-ish. If anyone wants to get any tips, good luck!

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[–] wasabi@feddit.org 56 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I have no clue why telegram is often mentioned when it comes to "privacy focused messaging". They don't even have e2e encrypted group chats. Only 1:1 chats may be encrypted as an opt-in. Even WhatsApp is more secure than that, since they use signals encryption.

Also the "we don't give out even a byte of data to anyone" statements made by telegram have been thoroughly debunked as lies. When telegrams bottom line is in danger, they have and will give out your data.

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[–] Corduroy_Pillows_Making_Headlines@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love this! May I share on my blog and with my newsletter subscribers at Punching Up Press? We're probably in boxes #2 and #3, with a lot of readers starting off in box #1.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was actually expecting you to comment.

May I share on my blog and with my newsletter subscribers at Punching Up Press?

Absolutely! Giving credit is appreciated, as well.

[–] Corduroy_Pillows_Making_Headlines@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Haha,, I always love a good infographic! Who can I credit for the infographic and links? I have only like 65 subscribers since I don't do much promotion, but I think this will be very helpful to them.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Who can I credit for the infographic and links?

Simply leaving a link to this post is fine. Thank you!

[–] LeTak@lemm.ee 58 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Tried the Privacy Activist and Enthusiast section. Was not really fun and you loose connection to most of your friends and family. Now I have a balanced setup with something out of each layer. Perfect balanced, as things should be

[–] Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee 29 points 4 days ago (13 children)

I have taken my own approach; there are things from each layer that I use. Some begrudgingly but others gladly.

The problem I faced when starting this journey is it does cut out a lot of people. And it becomes isolsting. So I did reel back a bit.

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[–] neuroneiro@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

Was going to say links or it never happened but you provided them! And categorized by level! Excelsior!

Thanks also to the comments giving more information.

So grateful for this platform. For the most part.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago

Apple: “Brainwashed”

iMessage: “Beginner”

Well which one is it?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 61 points 4 days ago (17 children)

Can you explain why you would think Steam is so bad? I would argue they're pretty fair, especially with the option to buy steam cards for cash to not disclose your personal data. Does the client do some unsavory shit?

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 49 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Seeing steam at the top makes me question the list. Likely a hate of DRM rather than privacy

[–] lb_o@lemmy.world 65 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Yeap, and Brave in the middle. They only pretend they are for privacy, but they are the very opposite.

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[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 71 points 4 days ago (6 children)

TIL I'm a privacy activist--who can help me get to the ghost mode?
(Do I even want to get there or is that limited to journalists who have entire states trying to unalive them?)

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 54 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Do I even want to get there

Only you can answer that.

or is that limited to journalists who have entire states trying to unalive them?

Pretty much, but if you want to give up all technology, work for yourself, and fake your death, then more power to you!

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I give workshops on privacy. I always tell them that if they get nothing else out of my presentation, its that they should use a password manager.

Honestly I think keepass should be beginner. That comes first before everything else.

Also I think Tor Browser should come before VPNs. Its free and easier to use than VPNs (for when you want to google something secret and don't want to be tracked. Most beginners are selective like that)

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 27 points 4 days ago (8 children)
[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 days ago

That's how amnesiac it is.

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[–] dontblink@feddit.it 6 points 3 days ago

I think I'm probably slowly transitioning to "the ghost" but more as a matter of digital minimalism than for privacy lmao

[–] Afflictedlife@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

I'm like a mix of the three tiers above ghost and in not really trying to be which is odd

[–] prinzmegahertz@lemm.ee 34 points 4 days ago (11 children)

What’s the issue with steam? I thought the epic game store was the one actively spying on your device

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[–] moseschrute@lemmy.ml 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Weird how Apple and iMessage are not in the same category. How do distrust apple’s privacy claims but trust iMessage?

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[–] grendel@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How the heck is TOR less secure than any of the vpns? Also nice vpn psyop/ad.

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

How the heck is TOR less secure than any of the vpns?

This isn't a ranking of security. It is ranked based on the experience level at which people generally begin to start using certain software. They build on top of each other.

[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Wow this blew up. People still not getting the meme portion of this?

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[–] eee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 4 days ago

Thank you so, so much for the transcription, appreciated!

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