If an object is in your kitchen then you put it there, smh
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Freezer: I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Dave.
SO greets them in the kitchen....
hits object
STFU dumb appliance
A touch of Wi-Fi there
picks up smart bat
"Hey there! What are we gonna smash today?"
Nah fam, my entire house is smart. It's just that it all runs on a completely separate and isolated network than anything else, and I can revoke all access to that network with ease.
Edit to add that printers are actually the fucking worst for this, since so many of them now are network printers, rather than just-plug-it-into-my-computer printers. They are notorious for being insecure, and require being on the same network as the computer from which it's printing. I have another separate network with very limited access just for my printer, and I have to join it from my computer if I ever want to print or scan
I bought a laser printer meant for businesses, and it has to be one of the easiest printers i’ve ever operated. Installed some drivers from manufacturers website and everything immediately works, plugs in to pc over USB, with no wifi or anything unnecessary.
Having smart stuff isn't bad.
Having "smart" stuff that only works via a proprietary app over the internet is bad.
I like being able to dim several lights via a single command. I don't like it being even possible from outside my house
Even worse, they sometimes kill their apps or remove functionalities.
It does take a lot of shopping to find the things that can work without a proprietary app though.
Yeah, Zigbee stuff is theoretically nice, but it's an expensive setup that isn't exactly easy for, say, my mom. And nothing is keeping Philips from going "haha, no, buy out proprietary stuff now".
I've got Wiz on a standalone wifi, which works fine for me and it's cheap, but it's still a proprietary app (at least an open source project exists for it).
Wouldn't trust any IoT device that connects via Wifi.
Don't forget the "S" in IoT stands for Security.
IoT devices focus on as many features as possible, for a as low as possible price. Security is always an after thought.
Maybe I'm dumb, but what could happen with my lights connected to a standalone wifi router? AFAIK, they don't have the ability to host a network on their own.
I haven't implemented much but I'm planning on going with Shelly smart relays. I'm not a big fan of smart bulbs and stuff. I don't know if that's mostly what you mean by Wiz.
I was checking home assistant out and it seems to have quite a lot of things integrated so at least we aren't slaves to their apps, even though it's always connected to their servers.
Wiz is a brandname, they make mostly lamps and plugs and buttons and the like. I honestly don't want my appliances connected to anything more advanced than a timer, and they all have that already.
Ya I went to check their website, it just seemed like it was mostly smart bulbs and light strips that you have to replace once they burn out. I just don't trust those as much, seems like e-waste. Well actually, the strips last really long tbh.
Just take the extra step and buy a 3D printer and some ESP chips to make your own! I'm working on a full HAL9000 setup for my house.
They are meant to fit in the back of a light switch so are very tight on space. I opened one up, it's not very complicated but the routing is probably a removed.
I actually know how to make PCBs and 3d print cases and stuff. I have 2 printer (I barely use them though). That being said, it is using main and if it fucks up and something catches fire, I think insurance companies wouldn't pay out. I don't think its worth it, but I did legit look into it and have like 2 half prototypes in kicad lol.
But ya, I don't know. I don't really want to touch stuff that doesn't just run on a small battery or off USB. Simple mistakes can snowball fast with higher voltages.
I printed an enclosure for a few sensors that fit into a 1 gang slot (I basically copied the dimensions of a TP-Link switch), including the AC/DC converter. The thing is only drawing a watt or two, so I'm not super concerned about it shorting out. But, I probably need to use a UL certified power supply.
But, that particular project is tabled until I can finish converting an old oven into a heated build chamber to print with fire resistant polycarbonate.
The solution i use on OpenWrt is basically-
Printer on airgapped IoT network
Computer on Internet network
Avahi mDNS allowed specifically for my printers MAC Address to access it from the Internet network without allowing it to reach WAN.
Luckily they don't really work like that.
- Download the app?
- failed to connect
- failed to connect
- I am now a cryptomining malware bot
- Please upgrade to the newest toaster
Mag dumping my toaster.
The only appropriate response to a laughing toaster
For me, most appliances have no use being automated. For the few that do have a use case (my coffee maker specifically) the appliance itself is as dumb as possible. Only the switch is "smart".
I think it's really interesting that washing machines for example got pretty cheap. You can get a "good" one for a few hundred bucks. It has a display and fancy buttons and it wants to connect to your wifi.
But the really good washing machine is 5times as expensive and it only has a wheel in the middle that makes loud clicking sounds when you turn it, because the whole thing is pretty much mechanical and lasts forever
I am so looking forward to my time in hell when I meet the devil and he says "yeah bro, that was pretty bad, but have you ever dealt with an LG washing machine? I have the engineer coming in next week. Fuck that guy"
Poor bat. They are misunderstood creatures, and very cute.
This is the way. (Hitting IoT with a bat)
Smart appliances will serve you more ads than coffee.