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UPDATE: To everyone who suggested YUNO, thank you so much. This seems like it is about to make my journey much easier. It is basically almost exactly what I was looking for, but I was unaware that it existed.
Thank you ALL for your suggestions, actually. It's a bit overwhelming for an almost complete noobie but I an going to look into all of the suggestions in time. I just saw that there were several mentions of YUNO so I decided to make that one of the first things I investigated.

So, about two months ago, I had a very eye opening experience. As the result of a single misconfigured security setting on my Android, I was locked out of my Google Account on my phone AND all of my PCs. I had no access whatsoever to Google, or any of the literally hundreds of services that I get through Google.

This is when I realized that I relied entirely on Google/Android because those two days were actually very difficult, being cut off from media, services, passwords, everything, from the past almost twenty years of my life, could be taken away from me in an instant. The decades of my life that were locked away in my Google Account included hundreds of thousands of pictures, almost a hundred thousand audio tracks, several hundred books, several hundred apps, thousands of videos, etc. ad infinitum. Unfortunately, very little of this material was backed up at that point. That is my fault. Also, the misconfigured security setting was my fault as well.

The amount of data, media, memories, services, etc. that would have been lost is actually endless and it would have affected my life in several ridiculously negative ways.

Luckily, in the end, I was able to get my access back and then basically immediately grabbed all of the several terabytes of information and media of mine that they had, and that I was almost locked out of. I have it all in my house now on a drive in my computer, with a backup made on another disconnected disk.

I then decided that no corporation was ever going to have such an insanely high level of influence on and control over my entire life and my media ever again. That experience was actually very scary.

I've been trying to get into SelfHosting, but am finding it quite daunting and difficult.

There is a LOT of stuff that I have to learn, and I am mostly unsure of where to even begin. I know basically nothing about networking.

I need to learn the very basic stuff and work my way up from there, but everything that I've seen on the Internet assumes that the reader already has a basic to intermediate understanding of networking and the subjects that surround it. I do not, but I am going to learn.

I just need someone to show me where to start.

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

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[–] harsh3466@lemmy.world 101 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you! I will begin to look over it tomorrow!

[–] felbane@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I am a sysadmin with over 30 years of experience managing servers and networks for businesses of all sizes as well as for myself, friends, and family.

The FUTO guide is extremely detailed, accurate, and accessible. It does not always follow best practices, and it's not a comprehensive guide to all of the possibilities for self-hosting. It's not trying to be. It is a guide for someone with no technical expertise (but with basic technical ability) to degoogle/deapple themselves at a reasonable level of cost and effort.

You do not have to do everything in the list, you can pick and choose the parts you're interested in. That said, I would recommend reading through the whole article as you have time, because it does a very good job of explaining the concepts involved in building a self-hosted setup, and understanding how everything works is the biggest step toward being able to effectively troubleshoot problems when they inevitably crop up.

If you have specific questions about things that aren't answered in the guide or via a quick web search, post them here.

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the detailed explanation! I will definitely begin studying the document tomorrow!

[–] Concave1142@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Love the explanation. I've had a homelab for 20 years now and have never heard of FUTO. You're explainer has made me bookmark the site now for future skimming.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This, so much. I remember when Louis told everyone about it, people (mostly Reddit) were so nitpicky over every minor detail.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

They use OpenVPN for some reason. Wireguard is superior in every way. In case you set up a VPN.

[–] PKscope@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I didn't know I needed this. Thanks!

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[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As the result of a single misconfigured security setting on my Android, I was locked out of my Google Account on my phone AND all of my PCs.

Just a heads up on what you are getting yourself into, if you fuck up your self hosted setup badly enough there is no recovery.

That isn’t necessarily intended to scare you off from self hosting, just that the first and most important lesson to learn is to have a good system of backups that are backed up automatically, are easy to recover from, and are separated enough from other copies of the data that if something goes terribly wrong one copy will survive.

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[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A single misconfigured thing can suck real bad as you've seen.
Selfhosting involves lots of things that can be misconfigured or go bad.

That's not to scare you out of it out anything, merely to congratulate you in seeking knowledge first.

Disclaimer: I'm biased towards networks because I'm a network engineer, opinions may differ.

I would say... having at least a vague grasp of layers 1-4 of the traditional network model is a decent start.
You don't need to understand everything, but knowing a minimum will help a lot imho.

It's hard to point you in the right direction without knowing what you already know or not.

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hello again, thanks again for the great advice. I have a question though. The traditional network model that you mention.....is that also sometimes reffered to as the OSI Model? Are the two the same thing? I just want to make sure that I am studying the correct thing.

Yea, I was referring to the OSI model.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Plus, if you end up accidentally locking yourself out of your own system: boot access means root access (Secure your IPMI/iDRAC, folks!)

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 25 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Yunohost should be the software you're looking for. Install stuff by clicking. Much less terminal stuff

https://yunohost.org/

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[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly? Don't do the whole switch, or even a big switch from a few services to another.

Start small. Very small. Try doing just one service you rely on, like your images or music. Immich just announced their first stable release. I use navidrome for my music. Make sure to test these on a copy of your data, not your actual data.

Once you've got one service working as you want it to do, then you can try your hand at another service. This way, you don't get stuck trying to do everything all at once.

It may be worth considering how much (if any) you want to spend at the start, too. That'll inform your next immediate task; setting up basic backups for your data. A spare drive is a good start, but it may be worth keeping another one at your parents house, or similar.

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That is exactly my plan, to have this set as a long term goal with several incremental micro-goals, as opposed to attempting to do it all in a weekend. I figure making it a long term thing gives me much more of a chance to actually learn what it is that I am doing. Plus, at my level (no real networking knowledge to speak of) trying to do this in a weekend sounds like a nightmare, lol.

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago

since you're so new to self hosting, don't open anything up to the internet. You're in for a world of pain if you do.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

If you have systems or services you're dependant so strongly, always have an backup / emergency access. 3rd party or self hosted.

My 5c but I think you agree.

Point being as a decades old it professional I see design more important as the detail implementation.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Goddamned inflation. It used to be just 2 cents worth!

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Ah crap that's what I get for not being native English. But still, correct somehow.

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[–] pleksi@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

As someone who went through this after trumps 2nd term and power grabs i can give you my process:

  1. angrily unsubscribe all big tech subscriptions
  2. make a protonmail and tutamail account, realize I like proton suote more and decide to subscribe
  3. transfer all passwords to proton suite
  4. download all photos and other from cloud to an external drive. TURNS OUT THIS TAKES SEVERAL DAYS WTF
  5. angrily order a rasp-pi and an external SSD
  6. use step by step tutorials from pimylifeup to install docker and immich. Fall in love
  7. gradually (via help of google and GPTs) become confident enough with command line to start managing the server headless over SSH

Fast forward 6 months: My router is now running OpenWRT. With a few necessary exceptions my network access is always through ProtonVPN. My external devices are connected via wireguard to the router when not on home wifi and only after that reach the www. I have 24/7 access to my services from everywhere. My main server is now an old office mini pc running about 10 services. Im using borg for nightly snapshots(its a bit like apple time machine) and after that everything is backed up to another server at a friends house via rsync and ssh. I have a third mini computer whose purpose is to be my tv’s UI with access to services like the national broadcasts web ui and my own jellyfin and invidious (adless youtube client) The tv does not have an internet connection anymore. I even made a custom land page that automatically opens full screen in a browser when open my tv.

The point is: this builds gradually and you have fun doing it. …until it breaks :D The most painful parts involved networking so you can settle for LAN only at first to keep things simple

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Re-investing in a new platform full of tools (Proton suite) isn't in my opinion a rational answer. My answer is self host vaultwarden, self host your file storage, and choose between Proton and Tuta for mail, and use your own domain name so you can take your email address with you should you move.

In my opinion No-one should ever store any form of personal data implicitly on someone else's computer.

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[–] Chaser@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you want to start cheap, I can recommend you to use an old notebook. In my opinion it's the perfect home server for beginners.

  • It's cheap (most people have an unused laying around anyway)
  • If it's old enough to still have a dvd drive, you can replace it with a second sata ssd. There are cheap frames for this available.
  • it has a battery, so it can shutdown if there is a power outage
  • It's slim. You can just throw it on your closet and forget about it

Most services don't need much. So it's just fine if your "server" is like 10 years old. My first notebook server had 2 cores and 4 GB ram and it run Proxmox with like 10 lxc containers just fine.

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

You seem to imply you also want to selfhost some email service. But that's sadly one of the few things that will always be better at a trusted third party email provider.

Besides that it seems the most important thing you want is pure data storage, and that kind of selfhosting is not hard. In many cases one would not even consider it as part of "selfhosting" as it can be as simple as a local NAS or external HDD.

So my question is what do you actually want to accomplish? Because I think for a lot of your concerns you don't even need to go and host something.

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[–] Willdrick@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I will probably get flogged by this answer but here it goes:

I'd throw you right into the deep end: get a spare machine (an old laptop or PC) and install proxmox on it. Play around, breaks shit, delete the container/VM and start over.

Grab stuff from the Community Helper Scripts and see new stuff, try alternatives, see what works for you and don't be afraid of breaking stuff.

It takes a bit longer and some basic concepts might fly over your head, but the stuff you learn like this, you learn by heart.

It's been a few years since I started tinkering with a laptop with a busted video output circuit. Now I serve NextCloud and Immich to my family, keep receipts and documents neatly organised on Paperless, have a decent arr stack and a bunch of extra goodies. All from "a PC without video? Might as well make a server" now with a proper machine with several drives on ZFS pools, health checks and redundancy.

Its a helluva rabbit hole.

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[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Write things down

You will break something - and that's good, it's the best way to learn - but you'll want to make a note of what you did / went wrong / how you fixed it.

Future you will still break things and be grateful that you wrote that thing down

You'll buy something and find next year it was the wrong thing (too small, too large, too old, too new), so just get second hand stuff until you know what you need.

Cabled networks are so much better than wireless, but then you'll need switches and cables and shelves and stuff... so using today's wifi is fine, but know where you're heading.

You need to store you stuff - that'll be in a NAS

You need something to run services on - that'll be your server

These might be the same physical metal lump (your 2nd laptop?), they might be separate... play around, break something and work out what feels right for you... and then put your data on there

... and that'll break too.

Just be aware... if sync files between devices. That's not a backup. (Consider you've deleted / corrupted something - it's now replicated everywhere)

Having a NAS with 10 drives in a RAID6 array, is not a backup. It's just really robust against a drive failure, but a deleted file is still a deleted file.

Take a full copy of your data off your system - then restore it somewhere else.

Did it work? If so, that's a backup.

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Thanks for the advice. I am using Trilium to create a knowledge base as I go, and I am keeping meticulous notes on my progress, successes and failures.

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I really wish people would realize the level of dependency, and thus leverage, these companies have encouraged us to give them, before they learn it first hand.

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[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I don't currently have a RPi or any SBC though.

[–] RandomStickman@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wanna say thank you for making this post OP. I've got a spare laptop that I want to try to turn into my own cloud server but I find the endeavour similarly hard as well. I'll be looking at the tips in the comments. Good luck OP!

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Good luck to you, as well friendly stranger!

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I had something similar happen with Google a few years ago. Even though I had my password and access to my email they decided I was trying to hack my own account and locked me out. Like you I immediately started to look for other solutions.

Syncthing file sharing is really easy to install and use. There are no ports to configure on your router and everything is encrypted in transit. I have my phone's DCIM directory set up to sync to my home server and PC so new photos are backed up and available everywhere in a few seconds. I installed Syncthing intending to move to another solution eventually, but it works so well (aside from one or two files that occasionally don't sync) that I've just stuck with it.

For passwords Keepass & KeepassXC work really well on just about every platform. I share the password file using Syncthing and in years of doing this I've never had a problem that I didn't cause myself and those were minor.

You can get both of these up and running with very little effort and quickly limit your reliance on Google, then move to other solutions if you find they'd work better for you.

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[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm fairly technical but I honestly don't know where to begin either. Also trying to improve our personal security to an extent.

Hope you get some answers

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Thanks! I hope you do, as well!

[–] antsu@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Damn, that's scary indeed! First of all, congratulations on your resolve to take control of your data. You have a long journey ahead of you, but don't be discouraged, take one step at a time and don't be afraid to ask for help.

As for where to start, I think you've already figured it out yourself: invest some time in learning the basics of networking. You don't need to become an enterprise-level networking wizard, just learn the basics: learn what an IP address is, what a network mask is (sometimes also referred to as "prefix length"), what DNS is and does, how to change these settings on your home network and why you'd want to change them. Try stuff, break it, fix it, repeat. Also, if you're not familiar with or already using it, it might be a good opportunity to pick up Linux. If you're coming from Windows, a beginner friendly distribution like Linux Mint will do nicely. Try installing it on an old computer to see what it's like, poke at it until you're comfortable, then maybe make it your main operating system. Knowing Linux basics (command-line shenanigans in particular) will give you a big edge when you decide to start hosting your own services.

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[–] CyberChicken@whatcom.social 5 points 1 week ago

This post inspired me to audit my firewall rules, had put it off for too long

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