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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 136 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] dumbass@aussie.zone 46 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Who do you think taught America to be dumb AF?

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The British are the Americans of Europe, so this tracks.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, it makes total sense, that's where our founders came from.

[–] serpineslair@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] dumbass@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I taught you to be dumbasses, not to be dumb as fuck.

[–] serpineslair@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume I'm American

[–] dumbass@aussie.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago

I'm a dumbass, what did ya expect?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

Don't worry, the American public is also wrong about nearly everything.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 66 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago

Disagree. They're even further right.

[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah, living in the UK I'm not surprised.

Right wing lies are spread non-stop to blame people on benefits, immigrants or the EU for problems caused by poor policy decisions, usually those made in service of people who are already rich.

I've personally met people who think that benefit cheats (people who are getting "too much" financial support from tej government) are a huge problem, when they make up only a tiny amount of our costs compared to wage theft, military spending and tax breaks.

[–] Anomnomnomaly@lemmy.org 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They have no understanding of statistics or causality and correlation... they lack any critical thinking skills and blindly believe what they are told and can normally be guaranteed to consume their media from predictable sources (facebook, telegraph, daily mail, xhitter and so forth).

My sister is becoming one of those... she refuses to watch the news because it's depressing and has no understanding of the world outside of her own little bubble or facebook... she voted for brexit and has tried to deny it ever since instead of admitting she was fooled into doing so by the lies of racists, rich wankers who wanted to protect their tax haves and avoidance. I wouldn't be surprised to find out she voted for reform or tory last election or would do in the next.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They don’t even have a basic understanding of anything nor the curiosity to pursue something.

I’ve spoken to far too many people buying the anti immigration rhetoric, particularly asylum, and I’ll just simply ask them how do you apply for asylum here and not a fucking one can tell me basic information from our own government website.

When I say well you have to be in the country to make an application so we have created this so called boats crisis.

Then you can ask what would a solution to this be and it’s just vacant stares. Rather than hey we could let people apply from Europe and then the boats stop.

This is the same for the correlation between Brexit and us being unable to send back as may people and all other topics.

For the first time in my life I feel a glimmer of hope with The Green Party as they’re literally giving all the same talking points that this dumb ass pot head has been forcing down my mates throats for decades.

The other thing is it works with close friends if you push back or ask simple questions enough they actually begin to notice and then you can really feel some pride when your best mates will argue your talking points against others and you just sit and marvel at your creation and think I did that, whether I am right or wrong in my beliefs someone respected me enough to listen and think for themselves for once.

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[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont blame her for denying it. I get enough grief for telling people I chose not to vote because I didnt understand it.

[–] Anomnomnomaly@lemmy.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

The difference is that you are honest about your reasons, she lies because she's too ashamed to admit that she was conned... you are not the same.

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And this is because 99% of our press is explicitly right-wing and has a somewhat fuzzy relationship with truth.

Thanks, Murdoch!

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

In france companies gets 279 BILLION euros of help every year (of course no verification is done, and it's hidden in "lower charges/taxes" instead of "handouts"). Thats 900€ per working person.

Per month.

And we're supposed to be angry at poor people just trying to get by? I wonder why /s

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's the Murdockification of GB. Look at the US.

Rupert Murdock needs be banned from owning media outlets.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Anyone should be banned from owning media outlets

Media outlets should be sponsored by independent non profits which in turn are government sponsored. These independent outlets can then pay independent news outlets on the condition that they bring independent and neutral news, just the facts, and all the facts.

Anyone steps out of line and let's a little too much bias flow will see their payments reduced until they become neutral again

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

The trouble with that is the government of the day decides what is neutral and factual.

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[–] Small_Quasar@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

The ghoul is a big part of a reason the world is the way it is today.

He and his heirs need lined up against a wall.

[–] WALLACE@feddit.uk 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"The greatest argument against democracy is a conversation with the average voter"

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I suggest you read La Haine de la démocratie from Jacques Rancière. It shows that the people are actually not retarded, and the narrative pushed against democracy has no practical foundation

[–] Anomnomnomaly@lemmy.org 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

A person can be smart... but when they start to group together, the avg intelligence declines and mob mentality takes over.

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's actually the opposite. A mob is smarter than any individual, including experts, as long as the people are allowed to communicate. Here are experiments showing that

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Outside of literal mobs, is that true?

I get that groups of people make stupid decisions, especially committees. However, that seems more like "compromising to pointlessness" and redirecting energy away from useful action, than a "mob mentality".

[–] Anomnomnomaly@lemmy.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

I think you're describing 'politicians' more than people in general... diplomacy is when both sides are disappointed in the result. :)

[–] Anomnomnomaly@lemmy.org 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Survey asks a bunch of morons, bigots and gammons of their opinions on things.

I've NEVER once in my entire 46yrs on this rock been asked for my opinion, probably because I'm well read, do proper research and don't fall for bullshit lies and misinformation... I'm not the target audience for right wing fascist leaning extremists who claim patriotism is all about shouting the loudest whilst being a flag shagging wanker.

(Edited to correct a typo because I am so smrt) :)

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

They choose people either randomly off the street, or through consensual databases, which you might not have put yourself into.

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Patriotism*

I mean you can't write a whole paragraph about what a smart cookie you are and not proofread :p

I do appreciate "flag shagging wanker" tho since trump is literally that having fucked several flags without consent. And he's nothing if not a wanker.

[–] Anomnomnomaly@lemmy.org 5 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Are you suggesting that 'smart' people are incapable of making errors... even a typo? :)

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, just that I don't. I actually invent several new forms of correct English every day.

[–] Anomnomnomaly@lemmy.org 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm more partial to inventing new forms of English insults... sadly, I cannot claim credit for 'flag shagging'

I do try to take credit for Trumplethinskin or Trumplthinskin as I've been using that one for about a decade now... can't say if I was the first or not.

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 2 weeks ago

These are all solid options, although no matter how much he wishes it that dead straw on his head will never turn gold :(

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[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

That's not how representative surveys work

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Love the username.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

it's probably because "Britain has had enough of experts"

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 11 points 2 weeks ago

So: propaganda works as it “should”

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Or they don't really understand percentages.

Danielle Navarro recently wrote an amazing blog post about this phenomenon. It's long and detailed so my favourite kind. It even shows the code.

And I realise now that other people are different from me. So the essence is: people may struggle with exact percentages but generally they can put things in order from more rare to more common, sometimes people really don't know and they guess which gives a big difference when the true answer is very close to 0% or 100%, and finally... I don't know, I forgot.

https://blog.djnavarro.net/posts/2025-09-21_probability-judgement/

[–] Anomnomnomaly@lemmy.org 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been arguing against these kinds of idiots for about 2 decades now.

Moron 1 says 'Oh there's been a 75% decrease in this problem since they introduced these new rules (IE, draconian, invasive and in violation of basic human rights that just happened to affect a group they dislike)'

Me: Facts and figures please

Moron 2: It's 75% like they said

Me: No the numbers those percentages are based upon are the facts and figures... that's just a statistic derived from them.

Moron 1: Go look it up yourself, I'm not doing your research for you.

Me: You made the claim, you are responsible for providing the evidence... But since you don't want too... I did, and I can understand why you didn't want to provide them.

Me: There was a decrease in deaths from 4 to 1 over the previous year... and those 4 deaths happened because of 1 traffic collision that claimed all 4 lives... technically a 75% reduction in deaths. But the number incidents that happened actually increased from 64 to 73.

Moron 1: (silence) Moron 2: (silence)

That's a pretty accurate account of how these things go... claim a % refuse to provide the numbers... numbers actually show a difference that could almost be within a margin of error, or rely entirely on random outliers that massively skew the data and from a statistical point of view are so far from the avg that they are discounted.

It's like when people claimed that femisism was causing a spike in divorce and pointed to a % rise in the 70's... when the actual causes was women being able to achieve financial independence, because they didn't need their husbands permission to get a mortgage, or a loan, or even a credit card... and were able to safely leave abusive marriages and become independent.

Same thing happened with a spike in left handed people being reported... after practices forcing lefties to use their right (by abusive means) was stopped.

In both cases... the avgs went along at the same rate, suddenly spiked and then carried on at a level rate again.

Same happening right now with autism diagnosis, sudden spike as it's understood and diagnosed more easily... then levels even out once more.

You can apply this statistical logic to almost anything that the bigots claim to be 'a sudden spike in (insert bigoted view here)'... attitudes change... suffers no longer hiding who they are and society as a whole being more open and tolerant of it. But the bigots always scream the loudest and they're becoming emboldened to reveal their true selves more and more... If anyone needs to be back in the closest stewing over their own hatred... it's those pieces of shit. But on the bright side, it makes them easier to spot and shun from civilised solciety.

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[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

This is such an interesting read. Thank you for posting it.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the read!

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What else could you expect from a country whose main tradition is seeing how many Cadbury’s Creme Eggs one can fit up one’s bum.

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago

This doesn't seem right!

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 4 points 1 week ago

Lmfaooooooo

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

British ~~public~~ wrong about nearly everything

FTFY :D

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