I think Louis Rossmann's heart is in the right place, his work for right for repair is genuine, his disdain for New York's intolerable bureaucracy is completely understandable and justified, but it is leading him in bad directions and has been ever since he linked up with FUTO. Never trust a billionaire and never let them delude you into thinking they care about you or anyone. He is being used for his reputation and his audience and when they are done consuming those things for the billionaire's cause's benefit he will be left with neither one and the billionaire will move on without slowing down or shedding a tear.
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He's always been more than a little petite bourgeoisie. Among all his spats with the city of New York, I'm sure you can find something where he was at fault, but we generally only get his side of things. Still, I think he's been mostly a good advocate. FUTO is not the right place to do that.
While I can't say I agree with everything Rossmann, the guy seems very genuine, regardless of where I think he may be wrong or right. Also, I've seen him pedal back and retract plenty of times when he is shown (with evidence) that he was wrong.
Can you name one other personality with a large following that comes even close to Louis Rossmann in bringing stuff to light and fighting back against enshittification?
As for Futo, yeah, I'm pretty sure that billionaire that owns it is just using Rossmann for his following. But who knows, maybe Rossmann is also taking advantage of him to advance what we all want to see as well.
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What else do you expect him to do that will make an ACTUAL change? You HAVE to make some concessions when collaborating with large entities, and I think we are lucky that Louis can stay true to all of his beliefs with a large backing like FUTO, even if they aren't perfect.
I feel like I've seen stories like this before, how a popular YouTuber, or advocate isn't "perfect". People in the comments provide a "perfect" alternative, they are usually super niche and super underground. Certainly someone that hasn't yet had the chance to come under the same amount of scrutiny.
We need to be a little compromising to avoid cannibalizing our movement to achieve "purity" of our ideals, while corps continue to take ground. My two cents. Stop the bleeding first, before you worry about scars.
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eli5?
This is all in reference to this article.
FUTO is an organization that talks a lot of rhetoric about being some bastion of consumer rights in tech, but they're doing a lot of shitty, shady, and downright evil things. Among them, FUTO has been in the practice of making small grants to FOSS projects (like ffmpeg and musl) and then plastering the FOSS project's name and logo all over the FUTO site in a way that makes it seem as if FUTO is endorsed by said FOSS projects when that's not the case at all.
(All this after doing everything in their power with their rhetoric to try to discredit and degrade the entire FOSS community. They wrote an "apology", but even in the apology, they express their "disdain for OSI approved licenses". Mind you, ~~none of FUTO's projects are Open Source~~ most of their projects are proprietary.)
After that article came out just a couple of days ago, apparently they redid their site, I'd have to guess in an effort to address the concern that the way FUTO presented their grant program before implied endorsement by a lot of FOSS projects that didn't endorse them in any way. I don't think they've done enough, and there are tons of other reasons to think FUTO is evil assholes using consumer rights rhetoric to manipulate people in service to its (fully for-profit) bottom line.
Other concerns in the article include FUTO's connection to explicit/proud fascists and using their platform to (even coercing Louis Rossmann into) spread fascist propaganda.
They weren't even grants. They just donated money and said "look we're sponsoring them!", implying a relationship. As mentioned in that article, musl and ffmpeg (and probably everyone) didn't even know FUTO was doing this.
look we’re sponsoring them
spon·sor
verb
- provide funds for (a project or activity or the person carrying it out).
My disapproval of FUTO notwithstanding, that is the dictionary definition.
I never looked at those "we sponsor/donated to" sections on organization pages as implying a relationship of reciprocal approval. Are idiots online thinking that?
Anyone should be able to assert "X gave Y money" when that's true. Taking money from people we disagree with shouldn't be a problem: less money for them, more for us. Do we want them to spend on shit we definitely disapprove of?
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Immich it licensed under AGPL 3 and the code is open - isn't that FOSS?
I know some of their apps are licensed under a semi-open license of their own creation and that's been touchy to say the least. But is it true to say that none of their apps are FOSS?
Ah. My mistake. I'll edit my comment.
Edit: According to another comment in this post, FUTO "took over" Immich. Seems like maybe Immich was AGPLv3 before FUTO got hold of it. Still qualifies as "one of FUTO's projects", and your point is still well made, but it does still add a bit of context, and honestly I have to wonder whether future versions of Immich will remain FOSS.
They actually reliscenced from mit (or some permissive liscence) to AGPLv3 right before getting "taken over" by FUTO (futo now pays the immich devs to work full time on the project)
I'll be honest- never even heard of futo outside the context of immich (and I don't even run it.) Interesting to hear they have anything besides that.
I've clicked through the links and the most 'evil' thing they did seems to be using a non-mainstream open source licence? Evil is getting contracted by Israel. Prohibiting other companies from profiting off your work isn't evil.
Edit: And they hosted an interview with Curtis Yarvin. That's bad, but still doesn't warrant calling them evil.
Honestly getting tired of the purity tests. The alternatives are horrific. Google. Apple. Meta. So please find me the FOSS project that is perfectly free of sin which I'm allowed to support.
At this point it begins to feel as though this DDV is only here to write takedown pieces on projects not deemed pure enough for the cause.
FUTO hosted an interview once with a POS guy. Oh, the horror. Please help me understand what that has to do with the existence of a keyboard that isn't spyware. Yeah no. I'll keep supporting the working alternatives, you have fun using absolutely nothing because "What if one of the devs wasn't a good person??!"
I absolutely agree with your statement. Hell, even the GNU project (RMS mostly) had their own scandal a while ago, so if you really insist on being pedantic about this matter feel free on removing practically every piece of open source software from your systems.
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Thanks for posting this. Just uninstalled Futo keyboard and its neighboring speech to text app. Gotta hunt around for a replacement on both, tho I've been using Heliboard, which is okay. Still really bad at swipe predictions.
The voice recognition is honestly the best I've ever used. It'll be a shame to give it up.
If I decide to switch keyboards, I'm certain I would go back to HeliBoard.
There's been a real explosion of open source voice recognition over the past few months, and I haven't tested a lot. Whisper+ looks like a promising one. Before using Futo, I used Sayboard, which I was pretty happy with.
Careful, I heard one of the Heliboard devs kicked a puppy once. How dare you support such Evil software?!
/s because sadly that's needed
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If you are comfortable using F-Droid or Obtainium I found HeliBoard to be a good keyboard replacement: https://github.com/Helium314/HeliBoard
Sadly anything not going through the Google Play store is currently under attack: https://f-droid.org/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html
Hah! That's why I said I was using Heliboard :P As noted, not the greatest text prediction. e.g. I'll type "in" specifically starting over the I, and it still types "on", and it also doesn't like shorthand wording, like "gonna" which every time gets replaced with "Gibbs"
Still better than the Google keyboard with its billion all-seeing eyes on you.
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They secretly funded projects without letting the recipients know it was them funding and then added their names and logos to their site without permission. When someone spoke out against this, they harassed them. This is in addition to a lot of behavior supporting fascists.
what facist projects?
The article I linked in another comment explains more, but Eron Wolf, founder of FUTO, kindof pressured or hoodwinked Louis Rossmann into publicly interviewing Curtis Yarvin who happily refers to himself as a "reactionary fascist" and publicly states that black people are inherently suitable for enslavement.
I don't know that it's so much that they support "fascist projects" as much as they go out of their way to be a platform for spreading fascist propaganda, and particularly promoting the fascist Curtis Yarvin.
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Such a bummer that they took over Immich
What did they do to immich?!
Funded a team of devs to work on it full time.
Also made it shareware.
Pls explain. I cannot see how it is shareware with an AGPL licence behind it and full code published. Or is it just fud ?
fud, it's "shareware" in the sense that there's a dismissable popup that asks you to pretty please pay 100$, but it's AGPLv3 and no features are locked behind the paywall.
Huh. So anyone could maintain a fork or patchset and distribute builds that were feature-for-feature identical to Immich but with no nag screens. Just an interesting thought.
You can already do this with their custom css. I did it for about 5 minutes and then realized paying $99 was the right thing to do. It's a reasonable ask on their part.
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