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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 129 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Time to repeat my topical story.

I worked for a startup that prided itself on being "data driven". They'd talk about how other startups were doing stupid things because they followed their feelings instead of data.

One day in one of those all hands meetings, the CEO was taking questions. Someone said, "Studies are showing that four day work weeks are more effective on like every metric. Can we look into that?"

The CEO said "No, we're not doing that ". Didn't read the linked studies. Didn't entertain it at all. His mind was made up, and the data was irrelevant.

Because he doesn't really care about data. He cares about feeling smart and irreverent. He cares about being seen as a cool disruptive startup guy who's going to grind his way to success.

The dishonesty makes me want to puke.

But you know what also makes me sick? All the sycophantic boot lickers that would gather round and tell him his every idea was great. The people who would work unpaid long hours to "get shit done". Bunch of fucking wormtongues who would sell out their coworkers for crumbs.

Maybe he was a real person once who really did care about data. But by the time I met him, he was an empty suit

[–] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Lol, did we work at the same place?

"Empty suits" it's the realest statement.

I resigned my position because I couldn't take it anymore. I told leadership that I refuse to use my skills and talents for those who I do not respect, and they responded by saying that there was a lot of money on the line.

They can fucking keep it. Fucking ghouls.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

maybe we all met. i worked at the same place.

except there wasn't a lot of money on the table, just money shaped carrots they dangled in front of us to have us overworked to death.

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[–] Hasherm0n@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

You just reminded me of a similar incident at a company I worked at. Larger than a startup, but still not huge. Same situation where it was a question at an all hands, the response from the CTO was simply that he had not seen that data and immediately moved on.

Funny thing was, the guy that asked the question wasn't even adding about a 32 hour work week, he just wanted to option to do 4 10s over 5 8s but they moved on from his question so fast they never gave him a chance to clarify.

[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I love the way any article which says remote work is good still has to use the word, "surprisingly" as often as possible. Nobody is surprised.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Advancing tech was sold as a way to make all our lives better. Here is an instance of tech making our lives better, but instead companies dismiss it because the real purpose of tech for the capital class is control.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 5 days ago

I bet they aren't going to make the AIs come into the office.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Working in an office for 8 hours a day costs me an additional hour getting ready and commuting to to work, an hour away from home for lunch, an hour commuting back home and unwinding after work, turning 8 hours of paid labor into 11 hours of doing shit for other people.

Working at home claws back 15 hours a week.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It’s also how I got into a head on collision when some oblivious guy who pulled out in a left turn with oncoming headlights (me) driving straight in the lane. Close to home like most crashes are statistically, had I not been made to drive down to the office building then the rental car and repairs would never have been needed. There are costs everywhere that can be factored into this.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 37 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Sleep. Precious beautiful sleep. I can roll out of bed, rip a huge wet fart, log into Teams, pretend to care for 5 minutes, go right back to sleep (and still be able to smell that fart, thankfully), take a long nap, get up to take a big smooth dump, then put in the same 3 hours of actual work I'd do at the office, then play Sokoban all afternoon. All the while reducing resource usage.

This is the UBI/leisure society I was promised as a kid.

If you spend most of your day getting to and from work, then pretending to be busy at the office, you don't have time to think or be a threat to the billionaires by starting your own competing company/product.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago

You paint a beautiful, utopian picture of how life could be.

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[–] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Of course. Saving an hour of meaningless commute every day is a huge positive change.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

God I'd love it if my commute were only an hour.

It's 90-minutes each way if traffic cooperates. I put about 30k miles on my car in a given year.

My back was injured so they let me work from home yesterday, and other than the pain it was magical. I also got SOOO much done.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is the wild thing, most people work better at home but no no, must be in office and have performance reviews...

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (5 children)

In my case, I work for a municipality and I legitimately do need to be in the office to meet with citizens, attend public hearings, etc. abut I think they could come up with a schedule where I work remote on Mondays and Fridays or something. It would also make those days "no meeting days" so I could catch up on my actual job.

We get raked over the coals for how long development review takes, but then every developer wants to meet with us for an hour every week, so instead of reviewing plans we're attending meetings 25 hours a week where they're removed at us for how long it takes us to review their plans.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Facts don't matter anymore, get your ass to the office!

Mostly US companies

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Working from home also proved that the "middle-manager" was at best, a part-time job, maybe not necessary at all.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

You mean we had a worldwide event that proved to us that an incredible technology that allows us to work remotely could actually be used to work remotely, then our overlords chose to ignore that and now studies are proving what we already knew was true, is true?

Neat.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I've been studying managers for much longer, and I've reached a very clear conclusion: they don't care.

Managers are playing the game. Rules vary from company to company but are broadly similar.

  • Take credit for your subordinates work as if you did it.

  • Make sure you have enough scapegoats to cover the fuckups.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

It’s the shareholders who own our government that make money off commercial real estate that want everyone back at work. Shareholders don’t give a fuck about your wellbeing. They’re literally looting our government, destroying any and all global safety nets and installing facism worldwide quite publicly.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Evidence shows performance holds or climbs when people choose flexible setups with solid support from managers and peers.

That's the part these chuckle-head RTO folks willfully ignore. In a virtual environment you have to lead differently, and since they're never the ones who are wrong it must be everyone else who is broken.

With the right leadership and support mechanisms virtual work absolutely can raise all boats. But that means you have to be willing to change. And open-mindedness is not typically an attribute selected for in corporate senior leaders.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

B-b-but I was told big tech companies love disruption!

[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Aaaaand See how people will deny scientific research for the sake of Control.

I'm fed Up on how much a workplace wants to Control anyones Life. And all the rights that have ever been fought for under a broad Attack every single day. And it kinda feels like we're losing the battle.

Unionize!

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[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

All about balance. Working from home is such an improvement from past times. Face to face contact with your peers should not be underestimated though - very valuable.

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's bad enough having to hear my colleagues in teams meetings, I don't see why I have to smell them too.

[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 1 points 4 days ago

This simply means that your local culture is flawed. Where I am, everyone looks and smells beautiful.

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It is 0850. I start at 0900. I am still in bed.

Working from home is great.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Its amazing but only because the alternative is so horrible, we really, really appreciate working from home.

I think its also having a strong effect om how we are as people. Office culture changes people, into scared little humans who self censor themselves to fit in, and use language they think makes them sound professional.

Its a waste of life. We are originals. We are unique personalities. Not clones, not resources to exploit.

If humanity survives capitalism, and its a big if, we will look back at this and wonder what we were thinking.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Did the web site swap in a completely unrelated story about how swimming is good exercise for people over 55?

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Which is why the ruling class has decided we can't have it...

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It largely depends on if you can afford to have a room dedicated as your home office.

Working/relaxing cannot happen in the same space. Our brains are not wired to do such a dramatic difference in mental activity in the same location. That's also why bedrooms should be used for sleeping and fucking ONLY. Once you start reading/scrolling in bed, your brain makes that connection, "Oh, I'm in bed, I should doomscroll for the next 3 hours" instead of "Oh, I'm in bed. I should sleep."

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

As someone who currently sleeps, works, and relaxes in the same room these absolutes you're throwing out come off as hilarious. I've literally always lived in a room with both my bed and my computer, always worked and gamed from my computer, always slept within a couple of meters of my desk chair and computer.

You absolutely can work, relax, and sleep in the same space.

Does that mean I prefer that? Could I gain some meaningful benefits from having more spaces to dedicate to certain tasks? Absolutely. And the moment we tax the ultra-wealthy out of existence and therefore make housing affordable again, I'll make those rooms.

But working from home is not reliant on a square ft/m metric that the home must pass, nor how those spaces are organized or themed. I think saying it does only hurts my ability to stay at home, which is better for the environment, the economy, my productivity, and most importantly my life and mental health.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

i will take sleep and work in the same room every single day, in every single occasion over an office.

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 5 points 5 days ago

Our brains are not wired to do such a dramatic difference in mental activity in the same location.

Sounds made up bro.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Me with ADHD who can't do shit from home, hiding in the back corner of the open space.

[–] Bo7a@piefed.ca 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Isn't diversity neat? My ADHD pulls a gun on me if I get within 30 meters of an office.

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