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Couple who married in Germany had their right to a ‘normal family life’ impeded, court of justice finds

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[–] Twongo@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 day ago (5 children)

how far we´ve come. 40 years ago poland was the most progressive country in europe regarding homosexuality because unlike everyone else they never criminalized it. homosexual people were not harassed by the state and gay bars were a thing even in 70´s socialist poland.

it really depends on the generation. i have yet to meet a homophobic pole that was born in the post-war period, they generally have a quite egalitarian stance on it with (expected) slight prejudice but no outright hate.

late baby boomers and gen x-ers though... OH BOY. most of these fucks need reeducation by a proper beating or something. i have yet to meet a gen x-er pole that´s not a complete piece of shit regarding their views on homosexuality and women.

[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Single data counterpoint: I have met genx poles who are much more positive and I'd call friends.

[–] Twongo@lemmy.ml 3 points 21 hours ago

i sure believe there's plenty. i'm just talking from my experience

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The far right movement spearheaded by Victor Orban has spread. The world of far right go to Hungary for their meetings.

[–] Twongo@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

orban may be a factor in this, but the rampant homophobia in poland has been around since before the ussr fell

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[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 68 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I’m so tired of right wingers in Poland. They will always repeat the same stupid argument that because in our language word “rodzina” (family) contains the core "rodzić" (to give birth), and therefore it’s an institution for reproduction, so gay couples are not families. Words ethology makes more sense than anything else right

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

So people who can't reproduce shouldn't be able to get married either, hysterecomies and vasectomies invalidate your marriage and preclude future marriage. Women have to get a divorce and can't remarry once they've gone through menopause. In fact, men can't give birth at all, so only women should be able to get married. Makes sense to me!

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Etymology, slogans, rhymes or catchy acronyms give our brains the illusion of hearing something that makes sense. Repeating them a million times drills them in your neural pathways. Plus they are easy to scream loud enough to drown any attempt at intelligent conversation.

That's right-hand populist communication in a nutshell.

[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

Right away it reminds me of justification for the double standards on having sex with a lot of people man vs woman. When you’re man, you have the key that opens a lot of gates, while if you're woman you have the gate that can be opened with multiple keys.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Honestly I don't know why the state is still in the business of giving out marriages. Who gives a shit what other people want to call marriage. The state should not even have the authority to perform marriages at all. It should be left as a cultural or religious institution. It has no right to legislate what is and is not marriage. The only thing that should be available is civil unions, being defined as a financial and legal union of two or more consenting adults.

That way, anyone can "get married" at their local church, at a secular ceremony, or piss-drunk in a pub by a barmaid. It would be legally vacuous and has only the meaning that the parties ascribe to it, or that is given to it by the religious authority they choose to follow. But if they want to be legally joined together then they would go register a civil union at the local registrar's office.

If you're a bigot and don't consider two men in civil union to be married, cool, whatever, the law should not care about your opinion. You can privately think "those two are not married" all day, and be right in your mind. The only people whose opinions matter are those who want to call themselves married. There is no institution of "marriage" to defend, because you've already won. You can consider marriage to be anything you want and be right. Now you can leave other people alone.

[–] Legianus@programming.dev 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The state cares insofar as your partner gets certain rights and will be included as family in many things.

For instance, deciding for you in medical cases, being informed if something happens, getting money from your life insurance whatever.

No marriage would mean the two are not connected at all in the states eye and thus not family.

You could say, ok lets just enable putting that into some record without marriage, but the state wants to safeguard itself as you can get things like citizenship and such

And in most states that is what you define as civil unions (there is no marriage as such often).

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[–] _Nico198X_ 2 points 22 hours ago

completely agree. the fact that this hasn't been the widely adopted solution show that ppl are either really stupid or not actually interested in solving the problem.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And Hungary and Slovakia don't forget!

[–] Cossty@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I am from Slovakia. This will be such an ammunition for the current fascist government. I can already see all the press conferences that pig will appear in. There was a quiet talk about leaving EU for a while. Then they made a law where slovak law is above EU law. And now this. My fear is that if there will be a referendum about leaving EU, more than 50% will be for it. I bought a house five years ago and I was slowly repairing it. I moved in just this year. If not for that, I would already be gone from this country.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 12 points 1 day ago

Imagine hating other people loving each other enough to prefer a dictatorship...

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I'm sorry 😔 I have two friends from Slovakia and they are really worried too. They don't live there anymore but they left before Fico.

But yes good point this could cause them leaving the EU. I doubt that they will push for that though. Because of subsidies. Same reason why Hungary doesn't consider leaving.

[–] msage@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Leaving the country is helping the pigs.

They want you to leave.

[–] traceur201@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago

They also pleasure themselves through your abuse while still reaping the benefits of your economic activity. They're basically good either way whereas you're better off without them if you can manage it, the same dynamics as an abusive couple

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are also tons like Italy, Czech republic, Croatia that have civil unions, but I don't know if they respect foreign marriage.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Really? Wow I didn't realise there were still countries without gay marriage in Europe. Well except the Vatican maybe 😂 but yeah if they respect them from other countries no idea

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