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In late October, Elon Musk released a Wikipedia alternative, with pages written by his AI chatbot Grok. Unlike its nearly quarter-century-old namesake, Musk said Grokipedia would strip out the “woke” from Wikipedia, which he previously described as an “extension of legacy media propaganda.” But while Musk’s Grokipedia, in his eyes, is propaganda-free, it seems to have a proclivity toward right-wing hagiography.

Take Grokipedia’s entry on Adolf Hitler. Until earlier this month, the entry read, “Adolf Hitler was the Austrian-born Führer of Germany from 1933 to 1945.” That phrase has been edited to “Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician and dictator,” but Grok still refers to Hitler by his honorific one clause later, writing that Hitler served as “Führer und Reichskanzler from August 1934 until his suicide in 1945.” NBC News also pointed out that the page on Hitler goes on for some 13,000 words before the first mention of the Holocaust.

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[–] ebolapie@lemmy.world 2 points 27 minutes ago

We truly are on the precipice of a dark age, aren't we?

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

How much longer until Musk says something like "the holocaust wasn't that bad", "the holocaust was merely an effort to deport the undocumented Jews", or even "let's do it again!"

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 1 points 23 minutes ago

Who the hell goes to his page anyway?

[–] IRemember@lemmings.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Wow, so Elon Musk has his own Wikipedia alternative? Interesting. But I'm not surprised that it already seems to have some questionable content on it...like referring to Hitler as "the Führer." That's not exactly an accurate description of him. And it's also concerning that the page on him goes on for 13,000 words before mentioning the Holocaust. It's important to accurately and objectively represent historical figures and events. Hopefully, this Wikipedia alternative will work on improving their content in the future.

[–] emilgardis@lemmy.ml 4 points 35 minutes ago

Is this how grok writes things? I genuinely have no clue

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

That’s the official turd Reich history. If we don’t win this will be what children will learn in the Shitler youth soon.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 2 points 58 minutes ago

Thats why many people have gotten active, and getting others active! Together we all can do anything!

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 39 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Man calls unbiased site biased, releases biased site to replace unbiased site.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

It's the only way to justify his stupidity and cover up his lack of genius.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

the page on Hitler goes on for some 13,000 words before the first mention of the Holocaust.

i dunno, that seems a bigger problem to me than recognizing hitler's title was der fuhrer.

[–] 10HotdogsForBreakfast@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] QuestionMark@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

That's the true meaning of Grok.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 120 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

The man can literally afford to have a legal harem island, fund an entertainment company to create anything to amuse him, AND solve world hunger simultaneously...and he just fawns over Hitler.

His wealth is truly wasted.

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 2 points 26 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

Apparently owning the libs, snorting ketamine to the point of pissing yourself and dick jokes are more important than anything you mentioned.

Also Donald Trump needs a lot of money. The other tech dickheads bending over backwards are not enough.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago

Most of the world's wealth is wasted under capitalism.

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 35 points 14 hours ago

He enjoys the smell of his own farts and believes other people will as well.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 26 points 15 hours ago

I don't believe Elon sees any of this honestly. In his eyes, this is what it is: racist and highly propogandized bullshit. This is because Elon is a racist, highly politically bias asshole.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 39 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder how (or if) grokopedia defines "woke"?

Most of the people who complain about "the woke" arent able to define it.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 40 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Not sure if you heard but according to the CEO of Palantir in an interview he gave a few weeks ago, there is now "woke left" and "woke right."

Basically anybody on the right who wakes up and smells the bullshit in the narrative is "woke." Like if you believe in those "crazy conspiracy theories" that say Palantir is up to some evil villain shit, you're woke.

[–] deltaspawn0040@lemmy.zip 13 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

It's kind of hilarious that a word literally derived from "awoken" in pronunciation, spelling, and meaning is these people's prime insult.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 9 points 13 hours ago

So is antifa. Literally anti-fascist.

Creepy ass conservatives: Stay asleep so I can keep doing stuff to you while you're unaware.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

According to Peter Thiel Greta Thunberg is the Anti-Christ because she believes in people coming together and pressuring the UN. Anything to avoid accountability with these people.

When they rail against "one world government" it just makes me think it's a good idea.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Palantir is a scumbag company that profits on selling the machinery of oppression to authoritarian governments and entities.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 100 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (11 children)

I mean the whole stupid Grokipedia thing is a shit show that will never take off, but Fuhrer is just "leader" in German. In it's used context for Hitler it straight up means dictator and (iirc) only came into full on use after the plebiscite giving him full dictatorial power after Hindenburg's death in 1934 (edit: He was already the Reich's Chancellor and merged in Hindenburg's powers with the vote to make himself full dictator / Fuhrer).

I'd welcome input from a German national - Is the word still used there?

[–] dukemirage@lemmy.world 117 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

Führer is not just „leader“, it is tainted and using it as a substitute for Hitler in a factual text is super weird, like casually calling Jesus in his Wikipedia article „our lord and savior“ now and then.

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 25 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for this comparison. That's a fun one and one that's made a little more 'subtle' in the US if only because of how common that language is among the populace in regions and how pervasive protestantism is in advertising/messaging.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 28 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Jesus would've hated America. I think according to the bible he lost his shit twice - both because of capitalism.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

There was one other time, when he cursed a tree because he didn't like its fruit, but yeah in general he disliked the nascent forms of capitalism and money people that he encountered.

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[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

It's funny that they made a conservative Wikipedia (snowflake safe space much?) because those people don't read shit.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 40 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Not German but moved to Germany. The word is still a normal word, it can be used, only in certain contexts not.

To me it is very very weird.

Especially in a comboword there is 0,0 issue: Reiseführer, Bergführer, etc. The no go zone seems very subtle to me, it's more about pronunciation and context, not the word itself. Especially the word "Führerschein" is super weird to me when used in regular conversations. I automatically hear translated "license to be the Führer", but it just means driver's license and nothing else and no one finds it weird.

[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 36 points 18 hours ago

Exactly this. If you use it as part of a compound word or as a verb it's totally fine. However "der Führer" (the Führer) is exclusively used to describe Hitler, and it usually has a negative or ironic vibe depending on who says it.

About the Führerschein... führen and fahren have the same etymological root... It is still used in "Führen eines Fahrzeugs" which simply means "driving a car" and that is where the term comes from.

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[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 33 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Why would they use the honorary, German word Fuhrer in an English language wiki article though?

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 28 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I just watched a tech video that reviewed two North Korean smartphones. Its autocorrect assertively blocks out or autoreplaces anything deemed unfit by the government, along with absolute control of what can be done on it, and absolute fingerprinting of anything sent.

I was reminded of this for no reason.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 18 points 16 hours ago (9 children)

Tbh, from a historical point of view, The Führer was used to describe Hitler. Now in Germany, it's basically only used to refer to him.

I'm not for deleting history, and I think the context is important. People needs to know why The Führer or "der Führer" is bad.

A context which I think would have helped in another example would be the N-word. If everyone was really taught the history around that word, I think/hope alot of people would think twice before using it today.

Or is that only me?

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Mentioning Adolf Hitler's title (Führer) is fine (and the information about such title should be included in the wikipedia artcile about him) but why refer to him accross the article by such title?

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 22 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Remember when he did that Nazi salute, and we kept hearing it totally wasn't a Nazi salute, and the Trump administration kept saying that we were all just looking for imaginary things to be outraged over?

Then why is he having Grok rewrite Wiki and calling Hitler the Führer, Bart?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

yeah, he was a big nazi

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 38 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (8 children)

Conservapedia already did this something like twenty years ago. It missed the entire purpose of the project, which was to invite a kaleidoscope of specialists and journalists to document the volume of known information categorically, primarily through citation to other online works.

Instead, you had a basket case of ultra-orthodox ideologues carving out a very niche set of contrary opinion posts that weren't well documented or continuously maintained.

Conservapedia isn't a right wing vanity project because of it's hot takes on Hitler, it's a vanity project because of the yawning gulfs in it's data set. Nobody engages with the site, because it is so heavily censored.

I get the sense Grokapedia will suffer the same fate. If a subject doesn't tickle Musk's interest, it'll either go undocumented or be a naked plagarization of some other online encyclopedia. And as soon as Musk loses interest entirely, support for the service will go the same way as so many private vanity projects.

Incidentally, Wikipedia's fate is also an open question. What happens when Jimmy Wales can't administer and fundraise for it anymore? How long until some hacks get their hooks in and corrupt it like so many other private media outlets?

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