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TL;DR: Mozilla’s translation bot on Support Mozilla (that is currently overwriting user contributions is based on the closed source, copyright infringing LLM, Google Gemini. This is in spite of Mozilla claiming that they are at the forefront of open source AI, and belies their exhortations to choose to build open source AI and data sets. Although Mozilla has experience in attracting open contributions for data sets in projects like Common Voice, Mozilla is using a closed data set to overwrite open contributions. Since (paid) Gemini queries do not train the model, Mozillians can expect to correct errors every time the bot automatically updates an article.

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[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cant wait for servo to be functional asap so we get a real alternative that is free and open source

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It renders... so what is missing for you to use it?

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most of the websites dont work

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Time to switch to LibreWolf or something else.

Can I use that to sync passwords, history, etc. between phone and PC in some way of form, even if self-hosted?

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

I've been on librewolf for years, and as long as I'm running the FlatPak version, all Firefox extensions work. Having said that, you do have a few options to sync. One is using your Firefox account (I don't suggest you do because of Mozilla's BS over the past year or so, but you would be sharing way less stuff this way). In my case, the only thing I want synced in browsers is the bookmarks, so I use floccus extension in every browser, floccus app in android, and host them all in a self-hosted linkwarden instance. I hope that helps.

[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 94 points 3 days ago (17 children)

Google puts up a major chunk of the funding Mozzia gets in a year. If you don't want them being the default choice in search or having your queries fed to their bots then start putting up the money to make their support no longer required.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 98 points 3 days ago

Not really conductive as long as most funds are siphoned by the C-suite ranks. Get rid of the C-fat first, maybe even turn Mozilla into a co-op, then have the People fund it.

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Voting with your wallet doesn’t work when you are the product. They don’t care about your money when google’s will dwarf any amount individuals could hope to raise, even collectively. Nothing prevents them from just taking both your money and google’s and changing absolutely nothing.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I did. I rage-signed up for a monthly contribution to the Servo project the last time I read about something Mozilla did.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 3 days ago (1 children)

start putting up the money to make their support no longer required

There's no way individual donations from ordinary people could match Google's. They're also likely to be less reliable.

Mozilla doesn't even ask for donations from users a whole lot, and the money they receive mostly doesn't go into development of the browser:

These funds directly support advocacy campaigns (i.e. asking big tech companies to protect your privacy), research and publications like the *Privacy Not Included buyer's guide and Internet Health Report, and covers a portion of our annual MozFest gathering.

https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/donate/help/#frequently-asked-questions

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[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 61 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Their support isn't required though, it's desired.

Mozilla have millions of $, they are actively investing in various money making schemes (sorry, financial investment vehicles) well outwith the original scope of Mozilla.

They take the money because they want the money, they could refuse it any time they want. But they won't, because they don't want to. They're not a poor FOSS project with an independent developer that needs donations to survive, stop treating them like they are.

Mozilla has created some brilliant software, but they're leaving their original mission behind, burning goodwill with many people around the world, and setting themselves up to be shunned by the open source community the second a viable alternative pops up.

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

I just hope the alternative doesn't take too long to materialize

[–] tux0r@feddit.org 10 points 3 days ago

Everyone is invited to help the NetSurf project.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 76 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)
[–] RiQuY@lemmy.zip 38 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Do we have a web browser that uses Servo engine yet?

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 65 points 3 days ago

Not even remotely close yet unfortunately.

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[–] froh42@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Recently I go fucking annoyed by Mozilla that I rage-contributed (monthly payment) to Servo.

Mozilla is such a shit show.

[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 3 days ago (2 children)

For me the requirements in a browser are:

  • Works without many issues
  • Has extensions (or built-in features) that do what NoScript, Ublock Origin, Dark Reader, CanvasBlocker, and Redirector do on LibreWolf
  • Relatively secure
  • Open source and free from corporate evil
  • Not annoying in any major ways

When the required extensions get made for Falkon, I'm probably switching

When they are in late beta or ready for use, I will try Servo-based browsers and Ladybird

currently I use LibreWolf

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

LibreWolf has been quite good to me. I just allow cookies on my most used websites and it's been perfectly fine to use.

[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 7 points 3 days ago

I daily driver QuteBrowser and have for awhile now. I like it. does everything I need it to do and the vim style navigation is awesome.

Sure there are some quirks that can be solved via userscripts and trust me I have a lot written for it but everything that requires an extension in firefox or chrome i have working on Qutebrowser. I don't get adds with youtube in fact dare I saw I have it set up better than what you could get on Firefox or Chrome, I have my password management via bitwarden, it all just works. And the dev, The Compiler, is great and is always on top of issues that come up.

there's yet to be any site i've come across that just doesn't work.

[–] Dequei@piefed.social 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The first ( without the ) is making me go crazy haha

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

God I'm happy to not be the only one. I read the thing the times trying to figure out where it was closing it

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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 14 points 3 days ago

Sigh. At this rate I can see a day where I end up switching to WebKitGTK's MiniBrowser as my main rather than having it as a "secret" backup.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

contrast with vivaldi explicitly taking a no ai stand in the browser.

[–] yoasif@fedia.io 77 points 3 days ago (22 children)
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[–] phillycodehound@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

I won't use regular Vanilla FF. I do like Zen tho!

[–] Cabbage_Pout61@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Is there any good alternative to FF that is cross device compatible and keep my sessions between said devices, but without me having to press anything more than "Install" or to type "apt-get install firefox"?

I hear a lot of these newer open source friendly browser, but switching between my pc/notebook/phone/tablet, is a requirement. I'd love to find something that fit that so I could switch.

^(edit: typo)

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