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A Boring Dystopia

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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/4958707

I find this bleak in ways it’s hard to even convey

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No. Absolutely not.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 111 points 1 week ago (7 children)

A human therapist might not or is less likely to share any personal details about your conversations with anyone.

An AI therapist will collate, collect, catalog, store and share every single personal detail about you with the company that owns the AI and share and sell all your data to the highest bidder.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Neither would a human therapist be inclined to find the perfect way to use all this information to manipulate people while they are being at their weakest. Let alone do it to thousands, if not millions of them all at the same time.

They are also pushing for the idea of an AI "social circle" for increasingly socially isolated people through which world view and opinions can be bent to whatever whoever controls the AI desires.

To that we add the fact that we now know they've been experimenting with tweaking Grok to make it push all sorts of political opinions and conspiracy theories. And before that, they manipulated Twitter's algorithm to promote their political views.

Knowing all this, it becomes apparent that we are currently witnessing is a push for a whole new level of human mind manipulation and control experiment that will make the Cambridge Analytica scandal look like a fun joke.

Forget Neuralink. Musk already has a direct connection into the brains of many people.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago

PSA that Nadella, Musk, saltman (and handful of other techfash) own dials that can bias their chatbots in any way they please. If you use chatbots for writing anything, they control how racist your output will be

[–] Crewman@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You're not wrong, but isnt that also how Better Help works?

[–] essell@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Better help is the Amazon of the Therapy world.

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can't wait until ChatGPT starts inserting ads into its responses. "Wow that sounds really tough. You should learn to love yourself and not be so hard on yourself when you mess up. It's a really good thing to treat yourself occasionally, such as with an ice cold Coca-Cola or maybe a large order of McDonald's French fries!"

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That episode was so disturbing 😅

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah we have spiritual delusions at home already!

Seriously, no new spiritual delusions could ever be more harmful than what we have right now.

[–] DeceasedPassenger@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Totally fair point but I really don't know if that's true. Most mainstream delusions have the side effect of creating community and bringing people together, other negative aspects notwithstanding. The delusions referenced in the article are more akin to acute psychosis, as the individual becomes isolated, nobody to share delusions with but the chatbot.

With traditional mainstream delusions, there also exists a relatively clear path out, with corresponding communities. ExJW, ExChristian, etc. People are able to help others escape that particular in-group when they're familiar with how it works. But how do you deprogram someone when they've been programmed with gibberish? It's like reverse engineering a black box. This is scaring me as I write it.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This isn't a new thing, people have gone off alone into this kind of nonsensical journey for a while now

The time cube guy comes to mind

There's also temple OS written in holy C, he was close to some of the stuff in the article

And these are just two people functional and loud enough to be heard. This is a thing that happens, maybe LLMs exacerbate a pre existing condition, but people have been going off the deep end like this long before LLMs came into the picture

[–] DeceasedPassenger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Your point is not only valid but also significant, and I feel stands in addition, not contradiction, to my point. These people now have something to continuously bounce ideas off; a conversational partner that never says no. A perpetual yes-man. The models are heavily biased towards the positive simply by nature of what they are, predicting what comes next. You (may or may not) know how in improv acting there's a saying called "yes, and" which serves to keep things always moving forward. These models effectively exist in this state, in perpetuity.

Previously, people who have ideas such as these will experience near-universal rejection from those around them (if they don't have charisma in which case they start a cult) which results in a (relatively, imo) small number of extreme cases. I fear the presence of such a perpetual yes-man will only accelerate all kinds of damage that can emerge from nonsensical thinking.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Am I old fashioned for wanting to talk to real humans instead?

[–] GreenMartian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

No. But when the options are either:

  • Shitty friends who have better things to do than hearing you vent,
  • Paying $400/hr to talk to a psychologist, or
  • A free AI that not only pays attention to you, but actually remembers what you told them last week,

it's quite understandable that some people choose the one that is a privacy nightmare but keeps them sane and away from some dark thoughts.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

But I want to hear other people's vents...😥

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago

Maybe a career in HVAC repair is just the thing for you!

[–] GreenMartian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're a good friend. I wish everyone has someone like this. I have a very small group of mates where I can be vulnerable without being judged. But not everyone are as privileged, unfortunately...

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[–] lilmo037@infosec.pub 11 points 1 week ago

Please continue to be you, we need more folks like you.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I suppose this can be mitigated by installing a local LLM that doesn't phone home. But there's still a risk of getting downright bad advice since so many LLM's just tell their users they're always right or twist the facts to fit that view.

I've been guilty of this as well, I've used ChatGPT as a "therapist" before. It actually gives decently helpful advice, compared to what's out there available after a google search. But I'm fully aware of the risks "down the road", so to speak.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If the title is a question, the answer is no

[–] sawdustprophet@midwest.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the title is a question, the answer is no

A student of Betteridge, I see.

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago

Actually I read it in a forum somewhere, but I am glad I know the source now!

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What is a sarcastic rhetorical question?

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

This is terrible. I'm going to ignore the issues concerning privacy since that's already been brought up here and highlight another major issue: it's going to get people hurt.

I did a deep dive with gen AI for a month a few weeks ago.

It taught me that gen AI is actually brilliant at certain things. One thing that gen AI does is it learns what you want and makes you believe it’s giving you exactly what you want. In a sense it's actually incredibly manipulative and one of the things gen AI is brilliant at. As you interact with gen AI within the same context window, it quickly picks up on who you are, then subtly tailors its responses to you.

I also noticed that as gen AI's context grew, it became less "objective". This makes sense since gen AI is likely tailoring the responses for me specifically. However, when this happens, the responses also end up being wrong more often. This also tracks, since correct answers are usually objective.

If people started to use gen AI for therapy, it's very likely they will converse within one context window. In addition, they will also likely ask gen AI for advice (or gen AI may even offer advice unprompted because it loves doing that). However, this is where things can go really wrong.

Gen AI cannot "think" of a solution, evaluate the downsides of the solution, and then offer it to you because gen AI can't "think" period. What gen AI will do is it will offer you what sounds like solutions and reasons. And because gen AI is so good at understanding who you are and what you want, it will frame the solutions and reasons in a way that appeals to you. On top of all of this, due to the long-running context window, it's very likely the advice gen AI gives will be bad advice. For someone who is in a vulnerable and emotional state, the advice may seem reasonable, good even.

If people then act on this advice, the consequences can be disastrous. I've read enough horror stories about this.

Anyway, I think therapy might be one of the worst uses for gen AI.

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 27 points 1 week ago
[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No way I'm discussing my mental health with big tech. You guys are insane.

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

how long will it take an 'ai' chatbot to spiral downward to bad advice, lies, insults, and/or promotion of violence and self-harm?

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

We're already there. Though that violence didn't happen due to insults, but due to a yes-bot affirming the ideas of a mentally-ill teenager.

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[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cheaper than paying people better, I suppose.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Let's not pretend people aren't already skipping therapy sessions over the cost

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

I’m not, I’m saying people’s mental health would be better if pay was better.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

People's lack of awareness of how important accessibility is really shows in this thread.

Privacy leaking is much lesser issue than not having anyone to talk to for many people, especially in poorer countries.

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[–] november@lemmy.vg 15 points 1 week ago
[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I've tried this ai therapist thing, and it's awful. It's ok to help you work out what you're thinking, but absymal at analyzing you. I got some structured timelines back fro. It that I USED in therapy, but AI is a dangerous alternative to human therapy.

My $.02 anyway.

[–] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

So you are actively documenting yourself sharing sensitive information about your patients?

[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 10 points 1 week ago

Enter the Desolatrix

[–] match@pawb.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

unlike humans, the ai listens to and remembers me to me [for the number of characters allotted]. this will help me feel seen i guess

You know a reply's gonna be good when it starts with "unlike humans" 😁

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Could social media bring us all together and help bridge disagreements?" Same shit, different decade.

And just to clarify, it most definitely can! Just not when it's a for-profit-off-of-you model.

Personally I feel lije lemmy is a pretty good example of social media that doesn't go off the rails as it grows

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

The only people that think this will help are people that don't know what therapy is. At best, this is pacification and certainly not any insightful incision into your actual problems. And the reason friends are unable to allow casual emotion venting is because we have so much stupid shit like this plastering over a myriad of very serious issues.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is this any bleaker than forming a parasocial relationship with someone you see on your screen?

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