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I apologize if this is old news, but I just noticed it. It looks like Kagi has added Fediverse Forums as a default Web search option.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Cool. Wish more search engines would do that.

But, as far as Kagi goes, it's a paid service and it's an American company. So I won't be using them.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (10 children)

What non-american search engine do you use?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I write questions on bathroom stalls and then check back in on them every few days.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Why are you using Grindr Classic for search?

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

And then you write your own (wrong) answers below it in a different hand writing and pen. And call it SEO.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Not working, the only response I get is penis

[–] lippiece@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

No one mentioned open source alternatives, so I'd add: https://docs.searxng.org/

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

Search engine? I started rawdoging urls a while ago.

The internet is increasingly more useless, the sites i really need are bookmarked anyway.

[–] clgoh@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Qwant. It's French.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Does anyone use yacy?

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Startpage.com

Better than qwant in my opinion.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago

I ask friends who are more intelligent than me

And if they don't know I assume it is forbidden knowledge that would drive me mad to know

(I am only half joking)

[–] denshi@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

https://metager.org/ is run by a German non-profit. Since late last year it's pay to use because their advertising partner (Yahoo) cancelled their contract without warning. But it's cheaper than Kagi. Also the non-profit is part of the project that's building the European OpenWebIndex ( https://ows.eu/ ) that's releasing this year.

[–] SexDwarf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

As a former Kagi user (quit all my US company subscriptions recently in order to support EU) I've now used Startpage for a month and it has been great so far.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Startpage.com

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Writing them off as an American company is totally valid, but I'm happy to pay for a quality service because it keeps ads out and lets me vote with my money. It's really not much to cling to psychologically, but it helps. When I and others completely degoogle our lives it moves no needles at GoogHQ, but paying subscriber metrics are a KPI discussed in every board room in the world.

[–] clove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Lile they say, perfection is the enemy of privacy! Kagi has been the best as an engine out of all I've tried. If a better competitors comes up, I'll give em my money.

[–] ericjmorey@discuss.online 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not a fan of Kagi's founder, so I generally don't use it.

[–] targetx@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Any specific reasons? I'm a very happy Kagi user and the founder is active on their discord and seems like a really nice guy.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] Wolfram@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Not using Kagi because its an American company is valid. But people are too used to products that are free because they make the person using them the product. There is still a transaction with a free product.

Kagi is not free because they respect your privacy and don't sell your data.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I don't use them or never read their privacy policy so i don't know. But it's not because it's a paid service that company won't use your data to sell it for more profit. That's EXTRA profit for them, so why the hell not. And them being based in the US means I already can't trust them with their poor privacy laws.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There are plenty of paid products that do not respect your privacy and sell your data.

And there's free products that do respect your privacy and don't make you the product. They are community products.

For instance I offer my bandwidth and storage to thousands of strangers to share torrents and they do the same to me. No secondhand transactions happening.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'd happily pay for search, but Kagi is way too expensive.

10 searches a day, for $5/month? (US)

Like, that is way too much.

I can receive thousands and send thousands of emails per day for that price. Is search really that much more expensive?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

But people are too used to products that are free because they make the person using them the product.

That's definitely one model for operating a public service, but its far from the only one.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I have donated €1500 to opensource software projects and paid a whopping €7 for software. These (privacy respecting) projects got my money because they weren't transaction based. Capitalism is not the only way.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

It's had it for at least months but even if its years old it's still a cool feature and deserves attention

[–] sinceasdf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Makes sense they advertise here enough

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[–] wittycomputer@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago (16 children)

The mandatory signing in to perform any search is a deal breaker. Privacy first

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[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Obligatory mention that Kagi also use the Russian search index Yandex. This aids the Russian economy and the Russian war effort.

Edit: I recommend reading my in depth explanation here https://lemmy.world/comment/15520236

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and they use Brave, too.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

heres to the painfully slow and gradual rebirth of the internet.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We learned a lot of lessons from the first one. Here's hoping we don't make the same mistakes.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

lets see if federation can keep the hawks away. they will certainly be trying (again) once we hit critical mass.

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