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I recently created a Europe community on lemmy.dbzer0.com to act as an alternative to the Europe community on Feddit.org since that one has had some controversy and is becoming less viable for discussing current events in Europe, especially relating to Israel.

The new community allows much of the same content as on the old one but also allows news and discussions related to the conflict in Israel and disallows genocide apologia (can't believe I have to advertise this as a feature). If that sounds like something you're interested in I urge you to check out !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 16 points 4 months ago

The new community allows much of the same content as on the old one but also allows news and discussions related to the conflict in Israel and disallows genocide apologia (can't believe I have to advertise this as a feature). If that sounds like something you're interested in I urge you to check out !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com

I agree, thank you, I think the Fediverse has immense potential and you are helping defend it while longterm allowing a safer future for Palestinians AND Jews.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago

Just a question: how/why was I already banned for "zionism" a week ago despite never being active there and not even participating in this discussion?

[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

What’s defined as genocide apologia?

Do the following cross the line?

Israel has a right to defend itself.
Hamas oppresses Gazans and is an obstacle to peace.
Hamas has repeatedly announced to want to repeat an October 7 style attack as soon as they are able to.
There have been protests going on for weeks in Gaza demanding Hamas to let the hostages go and give up power in Gaza (Hamas out!, Hamas barra barra!) to end the war.
One third of Gazans wanted to emigrate before the war started.
Serious and powerful people make arguments that the war in Gaza is not a genocide.

Would you consider Abu Mazen’s thesis to be genocide apologia?

Is this specific to Israel or are genocide of Armenians, Uyghurs, Rohingya, and others covered as well?

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

Do the following cross the line?

Yes, you know this.

Is this specific to Israel or are genocide of Armenians, Uyghurs, Rohingya, and others covered as well?

You don't care about them until its convenient to do so.

[+] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de -10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, there isn't any real controversy going on. Thanks to Lemmy we can have a look at the modlog and see what the mods do, and so far they seem to be doing a very good job at feddit.org.

[–] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Having the modlog actions being publicly visible doesn't mean there isn't or can't be controversy. FYI there has been controversy with how both europe on Feddit and Feddit themselves have chosen to moderate and how they've responded to the situation. It's well documented and compiled at !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com so I won't go into detail here but suffice to say if you think there isn't controversy and drama on Lemmy you've either been living under a rock or really don't understand how social dynamics play out on social platforms.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

you put an extra "p" in there, I think you meant !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

[–] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, just fixed it.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

no p

well 3 p technically

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the link.

I see some people confused about how AutoMod works here on Lemmy,
people rage-baiting each other and we can discuss that. I always think it's super distasteful when the topic is actual people loosing their lives, so I might be okay with the mods cracking down on that. It might be tricky though for the mods to get it right.
And then I see some people whining about posts getting locked? And I don't get that. Seems they're in a transitioning period with their moderation. And locking means they didn't even delete anything.

So there's a huge pile of misinformation there. Maybe there's a few warranted complains buried underneath that, but I didn't find them. Most of the deleted posts are from super agitated people anyways, contain a lot of words like "idiots", swearwords and personal attacks. And that's generally what we moderate here on Lemmy.

Idk, are you pro or contra deleting stuff and banning people? Because you yourself sure seem to be quick with the ban-hammer and handing out false accusations?!

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Here's an example of the sort of comments that were unjustly being removed, as cited by one of the feddit.org admins himself. He thinks he was in the right, claiming that some of the comments were from "sockpuppet accounts," but as I said in reply in that thread, removing comments saying things like “just create a secular state that respects people’s right” should’ve been their “are we the baddies?” realization moment.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That particular user who was banned for sockpuppeting has made literal hundreds of accounts, they were originally known as Antiyanks. They've been making new accounts constantly since 7 months ago so they can avoid being banned for treating people like garbage and accusing them of supporting genocide without any sort of merit to it.

The comments weren't removed for what they said, they were removed because the user is a serial ban evader who makes accounts just to harass people and it's clear by now that they have no intent of participating in good faith. They just want to yell at people.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If that's the case, then the evidence connecting those accounts to "Antiyanks" is what the admin should've cited, not a bunch of examples of comments that were -- considered on their face without context -- mostly actually pretty reasonable positions to take.

As it stands now, I have little reason to believe that I could post “just create a secular state that respects people’s right” on that instance without risking a ban.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Idk man. Sockpuppeting and brigading means there are a bunch of users who all create multiple accounts with the sole purpose of evading moderation and in this case be hostile towards the place. It's notoriously annoying to deal with that as a mod. And people do things like "walking the line". Stay just an inch below the threshold of open toxicity with a new comment, so it'd technically be allowed. It's still abusive behaviour, though. And IMO deletion is warranted. The content itself (what you spoke about in that comment) isn't itself the important thing if we already know it's from someone doing ban-evasion and bending and breaking the rules. The question is just whether these are sockpuppet accounts. The mods say so and it's not really disputed by anyone, at least not in that thread, in fact the brigade or alts seem to then pop up in yepowertrippingbastards, so I have a hunch that the mods were right.

I guess I didn't know Lemmy's moderation tools were still that bad and it's a decent chunk of transparency missing in the modlog. That's not a good thing. Though I feel none of this drama is really "good". Complaining about mods and then making an "alternative" with even more strict moderation is a bit silly if you ask me, I'm not sure whether this is a joke or not. But I get that this isn't about free speech, but some petty feud in miniature, and about having a home-base for the brigade.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Even if it's true that they were sockpuppeting, then the other important question becomes why did they feel the need to evade moderation in the first place? If it's because their reasonable and legitimate comments opposing genocide were getting removed because some biased mod falsely equated anti-zionism with anti-Semitism, it's the mod that's being toxic, not the users.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

They got banned originally for being a troll and harassing people, which they've continued to do through alt accounts for months. Their comments were anything but reasonable and not at all respectful.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

On the flipside, two wrongs almost never make a right. You can however stir up some internet conflict that way. So either it's true and they're wrong. Or it's wrong and everyone is wrong here... But you're not solving anything.