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[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Marketing people! Marketing!

If you want to sell things, whether it's a spinning top or an idea, you need to find the right way to market it.

Who would like to be paid more, have better representation at their job, more safety standards observed, and plenty of vacation time? Well I have the solution right here for you, it's called Worker's Rights. It starts with collectively organizing together to present a unified front to your employer!

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Also works with fascism, sadly.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Which fascist ideas do you think people like?

[–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

People tend to enjoy hating already marginalized people, sadly

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 5 days ago

Hating others and blaming them for the shit state of the world. See the rise of Trump in the US and Reform in the UK. Neither of which actually offer solutions for anything, but as long as somebody is getting treated worse, they'll lap it up.

Or go on Facebook and see any of your country's "patriotism" or "bring back the good old days" groups. Every single one a hotspot of people who were taught that fascism was a bad thing, but not what it actually is. Disagree with them and see how long it is before one of them calls you a traitor.

Or just see Starship Troopers, and see people taking it absolutely at face value. You can dress a guy literally as an SS commander and people still won't pick up on it.

It's just something basic within us, like a desire for sugary, fatty foods. Some of us fight it. Some of us give in.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 13 points 6 days ago

Should we help people to ensure their kids are fed? - YES!

Should we remove welfare to filthy scroungers that might use it to buy alcohol? - YES!

Recently saw a stat that in the 50s and 60s people spent as much on alcohol and tobacco as they did on housing. Housing now costs so much that if it was still the case you would have to be buying a couple bottles of rum for the parents and a small bottle for each child, daily.

[–] Coconut1233@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] Decq@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Nah time for people to think for themselves.. But who am I kidding?

CapitalismButBetter

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Communitism? Societism? Civilizatism? Social securitism? Social safetism?

[–] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Communitism is probably too close to communism, auditorially.

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[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think its hard to argue against cooperatives. They have a good track record, are member owned, and democratically controlled. Its a form of stateless socialism and a great place to start handing the means of production over to the proletariat.

[–] Coconut1233@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I like that, sounds neutral enough. It's interesting to imagine the decision making processes - democratically controlled, stateless society sounds a bit contradictory on the first thought.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Me asking people if they like socalism without mentioning a single country that overthrew capitalism

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

nodding towards an AES state

"Oh, you mean the country that starved all the babies because one guy said they should? And the country that did the White Genocide so all the smart people had to leave? And the country that is governed by a Caliphate that wants to kill all the Jews?"

"But all of that is exaggeration, hyperbole, and outright falsehood."

"Nice try you stupid fucking brainwashed Tankie. I'm not falling for it. The only way to make real change is to donate $10k to the Cory Booker campaign for President because he said he'd give everyone a 10% off coupon for insulin in 2037."

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There's too much baggage with last century's names, call it capitalism plus.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hear me out...

Capitalism plus plus plus plus plus

[–] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] qualia@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

It's almost as if capitalists have invested an obscene amount of resources on convincing people to invest against their own interests.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Let it die. The word has been exploited very publicly by some very evil people. The nazis (national socialists), ussr (soviet socialism), etc. are probably the most famous examples. But generally, when I look back on the socialism of the 1900s, it's mostly about learning from failures. And the longer history... Should we still be clinging to concepts/vocabulary from 200+ years ago? I think the fundamentals are still relevant but the "socialist" baggage isn't worth carrying anymore.

Instead of trying to apologize and rehabilitate "socialism", we should learn from it and move on to concepts/vocabulary more appropriate for our times.

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