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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We’re allowed to discuss all forms of revolution, so long as they are ineffective.

So if you want to know how to stage a successful revolution, consider what you’re not allowed to say as the starting point. And take a look at how the CIA overthrows governments- it ain’t peaceful.

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The number of peaceful revolutions we can unfortunately count on one hand. We can strive for to -but we have to be realistic

However there also has to be a plan. Simply overthrowing the existing rule allows chaos & someone worse to assume power

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not only that, but without a plan you won't even be able to get close to overthrowing any half-competent regime.

[–] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The old rule has already been overthrown. By Trump, far right white Christian nationalists, and silicon valley. Unfortunately, it's being replaced with something way worse.

[–] AlexSavard@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

yea, like what is currently happening is a "non-violent" coup. They used anger, mass disinformation and propaganda.

[–] tacobellhop@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago

Russ voight literally said their coup would be as bloodless as democrats allowed

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[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I know - but the revolution is happening because people are angry and they believe the system is broken.

I'm all for a short return to normalcy if actual change follows.

If actual change does not follow, I promise you we will be right back in this position before you know it.

I completely agree that what's coming is worse. But if you don't have a plan, the ensuing chaos is EXACTLY what Silicon Valley is hoping for so they can grab power. They have said it out loud.

[–] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Something has to be done by someone otherwise we're all fucked.

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

I do agree. The fact most people weren't taking this threat seriously when we knew even in 2016 he was a Russian asset is appalling. But Russia has compromised every intel org. If you're in CA please encourage your reps to purge the intel agencies of Russian assets.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

‘We can’t overthrow Hitler, because someone worse could come in to take his place.’

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No one said that. As the others pointed out, I'm saying have a plan.

The go-to example is the French Revolution. There was no plan for after they eliminated the "bad guys," and they ended up executing mostly non-rich folk. Saw a stat elsewhere that it may have been as few as 20% of victims were the rich.

Do we really want 80% of the people hurt by a revolution to be the common folk? If that's what you wanted you might as well stick with the current status quo. You're getting it.

I'm not going to argue further with you as the others have already done so well enough. I am only saying: have a plan, or things very well could go even worse

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

We already have plenty of socialist/communist revolution examples to follow.

No, you do not need to strategize before removing the boot from your neck.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's not what they said though

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, they just said there needs to be a plan. It's not the same logic at all.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok. I guess evil can be permitted to run rampant while we work out a plan.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well then, by that logic, let's just nuke the entire planet today! Argue in good faith please.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am arguing in good faith. You think should be permitted to continue what he’s doing until a plan is presented for what we do after he’s stopped?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Where did I say that? No you're using hyperbole, that's not in good faith. No one said let him run wild with no repercussions, they are saying at least have a plan, it could be developed as things go, but just at least let's have some organization and direction.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

The monopoly men have worked very hard over the past one hundred years to stamp out class consciousness in the US. They won’t give in without a fight.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I literally rage quit reddit over this. Hence why am on Lemmy now. Hopefully we can draw more users from Reddit over here. Esp with the boycott of all things US.

[–] originaltnavn@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Welcome! I migrated when the old Reddit apps stopped working, and the grass is indeed greener on this side, except for the non-English communities.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

you would probably banned eventually anyways, since luigi is enough to have you banned. i was banned a few weeks before this for some other stupid reason. apparently people were getting banned anyway after temp ban is lifted.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I was shadow banned from Reddit for making a not violent Luigi post on 12/23/24. My account was older and had high karma. I am grateful to have found this community. The state of human rights in the United States is bleak. I watched my mom die from early onset Alzheimer’s in our broken system and I don’t even have words for the cruelty in our system. How can corporations be “people” if there’s no way to hold them accountable for mass murder? Our system is broken and corrupt from top to bottom and somehow it’s about to get much worse. Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.

[–] ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.

ahem The Adjuster gave us all that, Luigi was hanging with me all week

[–] MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My mom passed earlier this year from pneumonia. The insurance wouldn't let her stay until it was gone. So we had to keep taking her out of the hospital for a couple days, and then putting her back for the same pneumonia, it lasted for months, because the hospital couldn't fully treat it. She had to wait at home until she was able to go again, and it eventually took her. The pneumonia, stress and everything else was just too much for her heart. She ended up going into cardiac arrest multiple times and the pneumonia sepsis is listed as her official cause of death.

Luigi is a fucking American hero and I wish more people could be like him. I unfortunately have to take care of these kids so I cannot but I will pray for whoever picks up that mantle.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry for your loss. They murdered your mother for profit and it enrages me. I've personally suffered at the bloody hands of the insurance companies as well. The insurance companies fill me with a cold deep rage. I hope all their leaders know fear before they come to their end.

I have kids as well. I'm no longer religious but I believe in Saint Luigi and pray that others are inspired by his noble actions. Truly.

If you're willing, please share the name of the insurance company and the CEO that murdered your mother for money.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The real villains are vanguard, black rock and the politicians that keep selling out the people. Things are about to get much worse with the cutting an privitazation ( this means it will be moved to a corrupt dysfunctional shareholder profit model) for medicade, Medicare, veterans healthcare and social security. The social contract is broken and the wealthy have waged war on the people. I was hoping that those doing this would have a wake up moment due to Luigi and ease up but instead the suppression has only increased. I don’t know how to fix this but the attack on the working class is “legal” and any resistance or hope is “illegal” or prohibitively expensive and easily stamped out. I get why people don’t want to bring children into the meat grinder that America has become.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

Well, they are all villains more or less.

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[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

The moment Robber Barons were first stopped, they starting working to rig things so they are never stopped again.

The only way to remind them that they have no such power is the French way.

All Tesla dealerships should be on fire by now. Now protected by a wall of obese 'police' that would not pass the most lenient tests to join the police force in any country of the EU.

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