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Attacks on Ukraine’s draft officers on the rise (kyivindependent.com)
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[–] edge@hexbear.net 57 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A man killed the officer during an attempt to kidnap his acquaintance who had recently been mobilized into the army.

That's either an admission of their draft officers kidnapping enlistees, or much more likely an amazing twist of logic. He was trying to kidnap his friend from the people that forced him to join the army?

In search of the perpetrators, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) insists that Russian special services are behind the latest incidents.

Those damn Russians. If it weren't for them our citizens would loyally sacrifice themselves and their friends to the meat grinder!

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago

That's either an admission of their draft officers kidnapping enlistees

They do, especially from minority regions.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago

"Russian interference"

Ah yes, because the average Ukrainian would love to be dragged away in an unmarked van, handed a rifle and sent straight to the front lines to be used as cannon fodder, if not for those Dastardly Russians!

[–] trompete@hexbear.net 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the last week, I have seen two videos of groups of men punching and puting to flight TCC officers. And one video that supposedly shows a TCC office going up in flames. Previously, this stuff was rare; you'd usually see mainly women shoving and berating the TCC pressgangs, and obviously the guys being kidnapped trying to escape. The TCC wasn't getting attacked though, that seems new.

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

These vids have been pretty common, they have a word for it now, busification

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

So anyway I started bussin

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago

:panting:

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They just can't help themselves doing the "Russian interference" schtick

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

"do they hate us because we kidnap them and their loved ones and send them to die on the front lines of a losing war?...

Nah, must be those pesky Russians again!"

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 days ago

Russian interference is the magic sauce for every western narrative. Ukrainians burn down Starver's house, Russian interference. Ukrainians don't want to be used as cannon fodder for banderites, you guessed it, Russian interference.

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Draft officers have been attacked for a while, they just didnt show you this in the west.

[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wonder how much fragging goes on that we're not hearing about

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I know that the rate of just surrendering to the russians has gone up a lot.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I remember within hours of the Kursk invasion several Ukrainians used it as a chance to rush to Russian lines in the chaos and beg for protection. I really hope those guys are ok and didn't get reprisaled by their gov.

[–] BanSwitch2Buyers@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Does Russia give any of them a chance to repatriate to Russia at all? I'm assuming not for espionage/sabotage reasons, but it seems bad if they're getting POWed and then exchanged back to a fascist Ukraine at some point.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I am pretty sure defectors are exempt from POW exchanges. Otherwise you would never be getting more defectors, you want to incentivize defections and desertions.

At least per Patrick Lancaster's interviews, some of them join the Russian army https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGBc6Pza3G8

warning though, the second guy they interview is a homophobe, a "muh Slavic values are different" guy. The older guy, the one who briefly served in the Red Army by contrast was clearly disillusioned by serving with Azov and seeing them sieg heil and shit. Like one's cultural aversion is pride parades, the other's aversion is the literal fascists.

Third guy mentions the option of prisoner exchange which he chose not to do and convinced others that they could not trust the Ukrainian government to make a deal for them. Third guy is really sympathetic, he is from the Donbas and talks about his commanding officers calling him and the local population slurs to their faces. He left cause he saw the "humanity" within the Ukrainian army, ie he was treated as less human by his own superior officers.

Effectively the officer corps is from Lviv and the west, and they somehow think their men will follow them like beasts of burden even as they denigrate their ethnic and linguistic background.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Effectively the officer corps is from Lviv and the west, and they somehow think their men will follow them like beasts of burden even as they denigrate their ethnic and linguistic background.

They did this in 2014 already, they literally send units from Donbas to massacre their relatives in Donbas. Turned out to be a mistake since said units defected and formed the core of DPR and LPR militias.

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Surely they gave all the ethnic Russians in the 2 independent republics who fled east at the start of the war citizenship?

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

Russia gave citizenship on location basis, not on ethnicity basis. So a lot of ethnic Ukrainians from Russian-controlled areas got citizenship, while ethnic Russians from the rest of Ukraine don't get preferential treatment.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 days ago

There were cases even in 2022, i imagine they gone up as untrained and unwilling conscripts are being sent to obvious grinder.

[–] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Have to get pretty far before they admit it

The reputation of draft offices is often overshadowed by accusations — at times justified — of forced conscription without compliance with fundamental civil rights, as well as ill-treatment of conscripts in recruitment centers.

But don't worry about it

"We can argue about the methods of mobilization, justice, and the human element in the enlistment offices. And there will be truth in each of these disputes. But war does not wait for us to agree," Kukharchuk added.

A little off topic but worth noting

"No real fact suggests that the hot war phase should stop somewhere. Our imagination wants it, but we are not there," Osadchuk said.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago

Let's fucking go

[–] edge@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

waow-based

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago

officer-down

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Lol