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[–] Terrapinjoe@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Actually Existing Socialism

[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where does gulag socialism exists?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The GULAG system is a reference to the Soviet Union's prison system during the first half of its existence. The former USSR is a common example of AES.

[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

AES is just a shorthand for real examples of countries following Marxist analysis and establishing Socialism, the fact that the USSR dissolved doesn't mean it wasn't Socialist. The purpose of categorization of AES is to study any common problems or benefits so that they can be learned from and universalized for future revolutions and societies.

[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess I'll point out then that I was there and the jab in the frame above feels deserved.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You'd have to have been alive and capable of being arrested before 1960, when the GULAG Directotate was abolished, so color me skeptical for not believing you to be over 74 years old.

[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I lived under the socialism mentioned above and I know about gulags second hand.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I also know about the GULAG directorate second-hand. Assuming you lived within the Soviet Union (otherwise you would live under a different Socialist state), it's been over 3 decades since Socialism was abolished, at which point the reforms within the Soviet system such as the implementation of Perestroika had weakened the economy and built-up the contradictions that led to its dissolution. I don't think that environment is one that lends itself to an impartial viewing of the previous GULAG system.