Asofon

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[–] Asofon@discuss.online 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Tell me you had a certain experience without telling me you had a certain experience.

Were you taught to not talk in certain terms about how your world "shattered"? Because I was.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not really all that interesting. It's just the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_paradox wearing the cape of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

Without the fancy jargon, the argument is "All people must be free to do whatever they want (the paradox part they don't say out loud is: except form a consensus)"

If you resolve the paradox, what you're left with is exactly the same world we have now: everyone is free to do exactly what they want, including forming a consensus (that may restrict the freedom of the individual)

It's a philosophical sleight of hand that's easy to hide in grandiose and virtuous rhetoric. I've seen it often from the Libertarian Right, and I suspect so have others on Lemmy.

I recommend you check out analytic idealism instead:

https://philarchive.org/rec/KASAIA-3

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 3 points 2 weeks ago

This is one of the best and most ignored rules.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 1 points 2 weeks ago

I’m not entirely sure what you’re getting at with the sarcasm. You asked, I answered. My point was never that capitalism is good or necessary, but that it’s the system we’re currently stuck in and I suggested relatively low bar action individuals can take.

I'm not interested in discussing hypothetical worlds that woulda been, clouda been or shoulda been if not for them darn capitalists. I'm sure we could live in a completely egalitarian utopia if not for this, that and the other thing.

But we don't.

If you have something constructive to contribute, feel free to do so.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well, that's exactly why I advocate for small actions on the level of the individual and branch out from there. I can't make other people do anything. Least of all use their brain beyond their capacity.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Noted, you have successfully got me to edit my first post. I await the results of this revolution.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

You are absolutely correct on all points. Now what do you propose we do about it?

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

You’re arguing with a straw man. The point isn’t that billionaires are the sole reason these things exist in some abstract sense - it’s that, in the world we actually live in right now, they control the levers that determine whether you have access to them at all. Nothing that we have right now could be possible if not for everything that came before it. So unless you invent a time machine, you're arguing beside the point.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I might be misunderstanding you but there seems to be an assumption that I'm making the claim that the kind of modern life we have can't be possible without capitalism. I am not. It's completely irrelevant to me (and my point).

If people want to insist that a world like ours can be possible while resources are shared equally, great. I have nothing against making the attempt at that, please do. But that's not the world we live in right now. The world we currently find ourselves is the one where capitalism has made all the luxuries etc. possible, and we are very habituated to it. To the point that many people are reluctant to let any of that go, while simultaneously demanding for a systematic change. Hence the "can't have your cake and eat it too". People are demanding revolution but precious few have any actually actionable suggestions on how to bring that about. I'm suggesting things that anyone can do by themselves, as much as is possible for them. Doing those things doesn't require that everyone agrees with you, because you start with yourself. It doesn't require a massive systematic change, because again, you start with yourself.

If anyone has suggestions on concrete actions to take to bring about massive systematic change, please let me know. Let everyone know. But keep in mind you'd have to persuade people that it's going to work and it's a better system. Revolution is very easy on paper.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

Claiming any of these things only exist because of billionaires is absurd. They take over and destroy.

But if they ‘took over,’ then by definition, the things that exist now - including the infrastructure you’re using to complain about them - exist because they allowed it. What you (and !Feyd@programming.dev ) have actually described is a world where billionaires are both all-powerful and completely irrelevant. That’s not a critique. That’s a paradox. And it’s a useful one because it lets you feel angry without actually taking any concrete action.

After all the Quanon stuff and the general population increasing their awareness of how conspiratorial thinking works, it's weird to see "my side" use the same rhetorical tactics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Definitions_of_fascism&useskin=vector#Umberto_Eco

"Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will."

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 3 points 2 weeks ago

Great, all the better. Please do start building it again from scratch.

[–] Asofon@discuss.online 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (21 children)

Post about it on the internet built upon tech enabled by the said class in today's world, from devices sold to us by the said class in today's world, in our homes with comforts the existence of which wouldn't be possible without the said class in today's world. Then go to work using infrastructure and means we wouldn't have without the said class in today's world, likely doing work we wouldn't have without the said class in today's world. Perhaps go buy some food the likes of which we couldn't dream of having access to without the said class in today's world. Maybe indulge in a hobby - a leisurely distraction, the kind that only exists because the said class engineered today's world where you have time and resources to waste on frivolity, while they decide what those resources are.

Anyone who wants to hold on to the comforts of modern life will have next to no power to make a change happen. Most of the money you spend goes into their pockets. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Option is to reduce spending, start exchanging favors without money (or develop your own currency with your friends) and if you have to spend money, prefer local goods and small services. Learn to fix things instead of buying new stuff. Offer community, food and fun to people with as little money investment as possible.

Make it work for you and people immediately around you. Get it to spread. This goes triple for you tankies out there. If you can't get this to work at a small level, you will not bring about systematic change. The game is theirs, it's rigged against you and bless your sweet honey heart, you somehow think you can win.

Not saying this is what I think everyone must do. I'll be dead soon enough and I don't have kids. But I am saying that if YOU want to see a change in the system, you need to start playing a different game that isn't built on money.

 

"Thoughts are tools, not truths"

 

Accessibility Version

People really are thinking that their Discord dramas etc. are important. And people really, really think, that because they have 100k subs on YouTube, they’re important, better somehow.

We have had all of the internet for decades and people’s media literacy has only gone down. A lot. People rather spend hours arguing online about who is evil and who is good instead of reading some bare minimum philosophy and doing a bit of introspection, checking their own thinking. I see people repeat painfully common talking points about the nature of reality as if we didn’t have tons of literature challenging every single thought you could ever have about it. “MaYbE wE lIvE in A SiMuLAtiOn”… Read about Plato’s cave. Read Nondual texts. Read BOOKS. And these same people are out there trying to change the world. I fucking promise you, every single profound thought you’ve had while smoking a bit too much weed has been discussed in philosophy for thousands of years.

People still say shit like “pull yourself up from the bootstraps” as if willpower and free will in general were some kind of endless resource everyone has but because they “choose” to be lazy/worthless/etc. they just don’t use it. And people are quick to agree with this when we talk about mental health issues, which is great. But ask them to apply the same logic to people they disagree with politically, suddenly “correct opinions” are just out there, available and everyone who doesn’t just adopt them just like that must be evil. Everyone who didn’t grow up smart enough, in an environment that encourages learning must be evil.

Good and Evil. Also things that don’t exist in anything else but the human mind and somehow, we kill people over it. You’ve been brainwashed into believing into good and evil since you were a kid, because we’re generations into people who were also brainwashed to believe it. It takes conscious effort to drop that belief, and a fuckton of willingness to NOT consider yourself morally superior. You value human well-being to whatever point you do and if you’re lucky, you’ll run into your personal trolley problem sooner or later. Whatever you think about yourself is nonsense anyway, you’re a different person every moment of every day. No, you don’t have mental illness about it, that’s the natural state of all humans but at some point we actually started to believe that we are supposed to come with a cute little description about our True Self on the box we were shipped in (thanks American media industry). Then we angst over not knowing who we are, or not living up to who we are supposed to be, or not being able to fulfill our potential or whatever spin you internalized about The Finding Out Who You Really Are© project. And most of all, whatever you think you are, you certainly aren’t good enough (buy this product, it might make you good enough).

People STILL in the year 2026 make an artificial separation between the mind and the body, all because Western psychology was largely colored by Christian beliefs in souls. At best, people go “oh yeah sure, exercising is really good for your mind”. True. Now let’s say that mental hygiene is good for the body and you get called an antivaxxer. Tell people that you practice Loving-Kindness meditation and people call you weird or tell you that it’s pointless because nobody is going to change because you send them good vibes. These same people are the ones spending hours online, calling others racists, cucks, libtards, rightoids, trannies, nazis, pedos and more. But the weird ones are those who cultivate compassion for 20 minutes a day and gently cradle their hate in love, instead of vomiting it on others. But let’s be trauma-aware, put in trigger warnings, consider accessibility and disabilities. The Buddhist monks doing the walk get shit because “they’re just walking” - yeah but they aren’t posting the upteenth tired meme about how much The Other Side sucks.

Propaganda still works. After all this shit past few years, people ACTUALLY somehow still believe that’s it’s a good idea to discuss politics on social media. Because they’re totally sure that THEIR side is impartial, trustworthy and flawless. There couldn’t possibly be bad actors on THEIR side with the sole intention of spreading misinformation.

People march over homeless people in their own city, protesting for some issue happening on the other side of the globe that they can’t do anything about.

It’s a weird fucking timeline.

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