BaumGeist

Thanks! I'm not ill though, just fed up with "be extra nice to my ignorance and I might consider not making your forum/hobby/government shittier" mentality that's worked so stellarly at curning enshittification so far.

Hope your bruised ego gets better tho! No need to shallowly disguise it as being a champion of the people, expertly defending them from someone who might push back on their self-centered worldview.

This kinda response is so funny to me. I've seen similar attacks on Rust, and all I can assume is either you're in the 0.01% of users who are ideal use cases and have never had an issue caused by something that could have been prevented by immutability, or you just have that crab bucket, "well I put up with the frustration, so everyone else should have to too!" mentality

I'm not even here to claim that immutability is ideal for everyone, but "haha you like to not waste your time unfucking your OS" is not the epic burn you think it is

I'm not saying I won't buy high end. Just not new. There are so many used parts in circulation, and some of them in pristine condition. They're cheaper, work almost as well (if not just as well), and keep e-waste out of landfills/being stripped for precious metals. I get to pat myself on the back and save some money, what could be better?

Anything else is just gatekeeping.

I'm not programmed to balk at that word. I've watched some of my favorite subcultures go to shit because of their unwillingness to seem like Evil Exclusionaries™, and I honestly don't think defending your community from infestation by fascists or consumer mindset or whatever is a terrible stance.

By definition anything that seeks to limit who is welcome is gatekeeping, even if it's trying to keep the evil-nazi-pedophile-personifications-of-pure-evil-that-you-hate-on-moral-grounds out. I just don't want thoughtless users who gleefully trade in security and privacy and ownership for simplicity and ease. And I will gleefully gatekeep them all the way to obscurity and irrelevance.

Meanwhile we have to admit that not providing comprehensible and well integrated GUIs for everything - and that includes stuff like Bootloader settings, Systemd Services Management, sysctl configuration etc. - is a shortcoming that should be remedied in the future

I don't have to admit anything. I'm not one of the devs on any of those projects, and I have no clue what challenges such integration introduces. Adding complexity (such as a making GUI) rarely comes without bugs and security risks, at the very least. Sometimes some projects are a lost cause by their very nature. And then you get people clamoring for the option that is more conducive to GUI than the ones that privilege other criteria, like performance, or security.

Linux should be accessible to everyone - that includes normies as well as those who may not be mentally able to understand or memorize CLI

Okay! They are free to create their own distro if they are unhappy with the current offerings. Or use Mac or Windows if they really just prefer the handholding. You get what you pay for.

We got to approach this nuanced though.

Nuance is for people who think more than the average end user; they can have GUIs. The rest should live and die by the CLI.

It's a crap shoot, but as long as you can verify the supplier (or at least ensure return/refunds) it's been okay.

I've gotten 2 GPUs and 4 CPUs through eBay, and only one of the GPUs was a scam—still got my money back within the day when it didn't arrive on schedule (the lister had already deactivated their account)—the RX 6600 is working great so far, and the CPUs have held up in some office workstations and server for a few years now.

I've also gotten tons of used ram and used ssds and hdds. I've had a few times in my workplace where a few sticks of OEM ram and HDD failed, but haven't had that issue with any of the used stuff (work or home).

I may be really lucky, or I may be the right amount of cautious (or both), so YMMV—definitely check with others for their experience before you decide to take the risk. Just keep in mind that if you go looking for scams and horror stories, it's gonna seem like that's all that happens, and the reverse holds if all you look for is success stories.

I'll be damned, I did not realize. I'd heard of it and filed it away as an odd bit of trivia, but checking just now it is indeed its own kernel.

Thanks for the fact check!

Everyone in this thread is a coward wearing the facade of a revolutionary

>$1500 on an all new parts DIY PC complete with a Windows license. Nowadays everything's outdated and these same parts would be like $800 max. Even back then I could have saved at least a couple hundred just by swallowing my pride and buying used.

I haven't bought brand new tech since, and I have not regretted it yet.

You mean ReactOS?

GUIs are an awesome tool. Humans as a species have 5 senses, and instead of limiting computers to the narrow portion of sight needed for typing, they make full use of both our visual and aural senses.

That being said, they add another layer of abstraction away from the hardware on top of the already very abstract userspace utilities that abstract away the kernel that abstracts away the machine code that abstracts away the hardware.

All of which is to say that "Just Works" is shorthand for "I don't want to actually learn how this complex tool that I'm using works, I just want it to do everything I think it should be able to based on my lack of understanding, and do so in the way that makes sense to my ignorance. And I want it to do all that without learning why we do some steps (and then I'm going to complain about how little sense it all makes)."

That mentality is what allows predatory software companies to not only take advantage of their customers—by hiding shady practices outside of the GUI, and drawing attention to and manufacturing outrage about inconsequential "features" (like ads on the start menu)—but also exist in the first place. Pushing back against that "I shouldn't have to learn the tool to use it" mentality is one of the ways we keep scam artists and spyware dealers out of Linux spaces.

"I pay lip service to minorities, but don't want to allocate resources to their needs"

They mean redact it from the screenshot you posted. It's in the beta tester blurb at the bottom