KillingTimeItself

hi, liberal here, we've been wondering this same thing since day one.

Curious why nobody is questioning it in the media.

We have no leftwing party in the United States

probably because the left is so dysfunctional they cant form a cohesive group that people want to vote for.

I no longer have the slightest hope of ever “winning” a prosocial government here. We’re too oligarch captured.

perhaps join the liberal fight, and fight against things like oligarchy, which liberals are not for, because it's obviously bad for institutions. The better the institution is at helping the people, the better the people are.

I talk and comment to maintain my sanity in an insane capitalist hellscape I lack the power to change.

Liberalism is basically the only option you have here, realistically. Anything you can do to change the political tide and get people to care about the importance of good governance, is a good thing.

You could plot a coup and overthrow the government, but we're not delusional, and that's obviously not happening anytime soon so, might as well explore other routes.

Even that article is wrong bcs there are plenty videos where the public see this dupe get on the roof 30 minutes before, not just “one kid”.

i didn't say one kid saw him? And getting up there 20 minutes before the rally is not "a long time" that's 20 minutes. Should they have known about it? Yes, did they? Yes. Did the ground police do anything about it? No, because they didn't have functional communication.

No way this would happen in reality.

i mean this is literally the one valid explanation for why this managed to happen at all, the only other option is that it was a complete conspiracy, and i've seen no evidence to support that, and given the fact that police, and secret service, are two different entities, i'm going to align with the former.

Reporting he was “shot trough the ear” and not having any sign of any wound 4 days later in 4K close ups is not possible.

he wasn't "shot through the ear" the reporting is just wrong. It's evident from the video, from the bleeding, and from the wound, he simply wasn't "shot in the ear" he was grazed by a bullet at best, cut his ear on the way down at worst.

Extended healthcare can’t do miracles. What a laughable excuse.

for a minor injury? Yeah it can. I've seen 2nd degree burns go away in a couple of days from ointment. Shits wack when you have the right tools for the job.

Sure, do you actually believe the potocol is no to take into account a second shooter?

that's possible, but are there are any good circumstances for this to be the case? Even when he did stand up, SS was crowded around him, it would be very difficult to take a good shot from that point, at which point SS are likely watching like a hawk.

And you admit he got up after this.

i mean yeah... If you watch the video, he literally does this. The most famous image of that year was literally him standing. Like idk why you're acting like this is WITHOUT A DOUBT proof that it's conspiracy, it's evident that it happened.

Standing there wanting to get his shoes and then having his planned photo.

not everybody thinks clearly in situations like this, especially old people, the job of the SS is to protect him, if they deemed it unimportant, they would've carted him off sooner.

The SS stood somewhat around him, in no way were they ‘piled up’ on his as they should be constantly.

you can literally watch the video, the center mass of his body is very clearly blocked, the head is not a particularly good target, as evidenced by the fact that he fucking missed.

Shinzo Abe or other events are irrelevant.

I mean yeah, to this particular event, but do you think his killing was a conspiracy?

OC attempts can happen, but here nothing adds up and you can’t but laugh at this pathetic spectacle or the fools believing it.

i mean, it's literally just weird at best, i've seen weirder, look at any shooting through history. They're all weird as fuck.

yeah that's technically true, but they've done basically everything they already can, nothing happening today is "new" it's old news. That's what i mean when i say "lame duck"

And technically, from the perspective of nearly no consequences, this is literally a lame duck president all the way through, but that's not really a fully accurate telling.

you don't need to tell me what this administration is bad at, trust me, i know.

neither did you apparently lol

this would also be correct lmao

you would be correct lmao

yeah probably because they disagree with the premise at hand entirely lmao

they shared the same broad economic policy.

They don't share minute policy, they never will. Republicans have always been a more top down approach, while dems are usually more bottom up.

if you look at it in macro, you could argue this is true, but this is basically just strictly related to econ governance, which makes sense because it's the most functional form of economy lmao.

If you look at social governance there are VAST differences.

basically the meme among the left is that everybody who "dragged their feet" is a "liberal" or "neoliberal"

the left tends to have a problem where they leech off of existing parties and groups, but then immediately throw them under the bus when convenient for their party. This is just an extension of that.

The modern vernacular for liberal is, weird... To say the least, but in short, basically the average democrat is "a liberal" the average voting democrat specifically.

Historically, a liberal is someone who believes in government, and the institutions it provides, the fact that you should respect it, lest you ruin it. And the fact that you can achieve the best outcomes, for all people when everybody is represented. Liberals traditionally don't have an issue with competing, or opposing viewpoints, they have issues with people who don't respect institutions, or don't want them to exist at all. A "Liberal democrat" may be fine with the republican voter, but have a problem with the way the republican base is campaigning, and running the country. Or even specific demographics of the republican voter, like MAGA for example.

Joe Biden is a good example of this, and if you look at his term, he was very, and i mean very successful, had some of the most effective legislative work in a long time. Was popular across the aisle to a significant degree (not MAGA obviously) and respected those that were.

The problem with the modern day left, is that they have outgroup problem. They want everybody who isn't "left" and exactly in sync with their ideology to get fucked, basically. This extends further, since the left doesn't respect the government, or it's institutions, but i've yet to see any good whitepapers talking about a more effective form of government, it's all just performative yapping about why "government bad and leftism good"

I'm not going to dive into the specifics of leftism here, because frankly, not relevant, it's pretty similar to liberalism, minus the government stuff, and some slight differences, but the modern left doesn't in any way shape or form adhere to that.

And before anybody yaps at me, calls me a slur or whatever, i just want to say, i'm not doing a both sides meme, i think the republican party is far, far worse. I think the democratic party is far more suited to running the country effectively, as evidenced by historical terms in office (the left would VEHEMENTLY disagree with me on this one, but the facts back me up here) The problem i think is specifically with the far left, the online far left in particular.

as you may have gleaned, i would consider myself a liberal, specifically a "governmental classical western liberal" if you want to get into the weeds of it, i think the lack of respect for government institution, and the role it plays in society has ruined our country. And there is simply no way back into a respectable position, without reinstating that within the public, i don't care how it's done, it needs to happen. I'm very sure most scholars on this topic would agree with me when i say that this is the most important thing to fix right now.

As a liberal should, i'm not picky about political views or ideology, as long as you respect the one thing keeping this country from grinding to a complete halt and being nothing more than a thought in the wind 20 years down the line. Unfortunately i don't think the right even posses enough brain power or will to comprehend this, and i don't think the far left is physically capable of comprehending this fact fully. (they are more than willing to mentally comprehend it, but they get mad the second anybody crosses them, and calls them wrong, so they never actually give it any serious thought)

Anyway, inb4 people yell at me all angry like.

you don't need to though. Sure you could represent every european ethnicity, but that seems pretty stupid doesn't it? The optimal solution is to just select people from the global population at complete random. Whatever you get is going to be pretty close. Not perfect, but close enough.