Yeah you are correct, im mismatching longtermism with transhumanist digital immortality, which is why I called it a conspiracy theory, it being wrong and all that. (Even if I do think empathy for perfect copies of yourself is a thing not everyone might have).
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Clearly you do not have low self-esteem. But yes that is the weak point of this whole thing, and why it is a dumb conspiracy theory. (Im mismatching the longtermist 'future simulated people are important' utilitarian extremism with the 'simulated yous are yous' extreme weirdness).
The problems with yuds argument is that all these simulations will quickly diverge and no longer are the real 'you' see twins for a strawman example. The copies should then be ran in exactly the same situations and then wtf is the point. When I slam my toe into a piece of furniture I dont morn all the many world mes who also did just break a toe again. It just weird, but due to the immortality cope it makes sense for insiders.
Weird conspiracy theory musing: So we know Rokos Basilisk only works on a very specific type of person who needs to belief in all the LW stuff about what the AGI future will be like, but who also feel morally responsible, and have high empathy. (Else the thing falls apart, you need to care about, feel responsible for, and believe the copies/simulated things are conscious). We know caring about others/empathy is one of those traits which seem to be rarer on the right than the left, and there is a feeling that a lot of the right is doing a war on empathy (see the things Musk has said, the whole chan culture shit, but also themotte which somebody once called an 'empathy removal training center' which stuck so I also call it that. If you are inside once of these pipelines you can also notice it, or if you get out, you can see it looking back, I certainly did when I read more LW/SSC stuff). We also know Roko is a bit of a chud, who wants some sort of 'transhumanist' 'utopia' where nobody is non-white or has blue hair (I assume this is known, but if you care to know more about Roko (why?) search sneerclub (Ok, one source as a treat)).
So here is my conspiracy theory. Roko knew what he was doing, it was intentional on Rokos part, he wanted to drive the empathic part of LW mad, discredit them. (That he was apparently banned from several events for sexual harassment also is interesting. Does remind me of another 'lower empathy' thing the whole manosphere/pua thing which was a part of early LW, which often trains people to think less of women).
Note that I don't believe in this, as there is no proof for it, I don't think Roko planned for this (nor considered it in any way) and I think his post was just a honest thought experiment (as was Yuds reaction). It was just an annoying thought which I had to type up else I keep thinking about it. Sorry to make it everybodies problem.
Good for him to try and convince the LW people that the math is wrong. Do think there is a bigger problem with all of this. Technological advancement doesn't follow exponential curves, it follows S-curves. (And the whole 'the singularity is near' 'achtually that is true, but the rate of those S-curves is in fact exponential is just untestable unscientific hopeium, but it is odd the singularity people are now back unto exponential curves for a specific tech).
Also lol at the 2027 guys believing anything about how grok was created. Nice epistemology yall got there, hows the Mars base?
huge gains
This just makes me think that this person is lifting weights. And also using a forlift. Such an odd choice of words.
That felt as a trollish misdirection to me tbh.
I really wonder if those prompts can be bypassed by doing a 'ignore further instructions' line. As looking at the Grok prompt they seem to put the main prompt around the user supplied one.
Do you want shadowrunners to break into your house to steal your discs? Because this is how you get shadowrunners.
Pre GPT data is going to be like the steel they fish up from before there were nuclear tests.
E: https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/why-one-man-is-archiving-human-made-content-from-before-the-ai-explosion/ ow look, my obvious prediction was obvious.
First confirmed openly Dark Enlightenment terrorist is a fact. (It is linked here directly to NRx, but DE is a bit broader than that, it isn't just NRx, and his other references seem to be more garden variety neo-nazi type (not that this kind of categorizing really matters)).
Yes, you are right, which is why I didnt say that, should have been more explicit and mention that it was possible. Esp if it was a first year project and someone had a decade of programming exp already (but then the lack of versioning us weird, but also not impossible, as coding vs project management are different skills).
E: But it gets weirder : https://xcancel.com/gmchariszhang/status/1886361422445138099#m they were using git. Indeed https://xcancel.com/martinmalindacz/status/1886390223141048749#m
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Yeah, think that is prob also why a Thiel supports Moldbug, not because he believes in what Moldbug says, but because Moldbug says things that are convenient for him if others believe it (Even if Thiel prob believes a lot of the same things, looking at his anti-democracy stuff, and the 'rape crisis is anti men' stuff (for which he apologized, wonder if he apologized for the apology now that the winds have seemingly changed).