ToastedPlanet

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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not hindering what you wished for or adding extra conditions. I'm not taking it upon myself to do extra work.

Me prolonging what you wished for beyond the first year would be adding extra conditions. Same with choosing to interpret it so you would also be affected. Not to mention it seemed you weren't referring to yourself, since you went out of your way to specify whoever granted the wish.

If you had some deterministic thing you wanted to happen after the first year, you should have said so. I granted the wish as written, I also noted my interpretation. If you didn't think through the consequences of your actions, that's not on me. Statistically it's unlikely, but maybe everyone will really love your wish. I wouldn't count on it though. edit: typo

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The magic effect is on the triggering of the process to start to develop empathy. Forcefully. The empathy itself is yours, even after the event. And the magic being. Lets see if they like having a conscience. Does not get cancelled. The event does.

I did not state a temporary duration for the effect of the outcome of the process. There is no temporary clause on that. The time frame is established for the duration of the process.

The event lasts one year. And it is gradual. It is not a snap of a finger and people become highly empathic. Everyone else will have a more accelerated growth, granted, but I’ll be forced to grow in tandem.

Anything that was specified for a duration can be interpreted to end once that duration is up. You never specified what happens after the year. Since nothing is enforcing that empathy after the first year, maintaining it would come down to individual people. And maintaining one state of mind indefinitely is not normal for the vast majority of people.

And what is the down side on the first part of your remark?

You're going to have to empathize with other people to figure that one out. The most people can do during the year is give you a stern talking to. After the year, people are going to feel all sorts of things. Some of which will inevitably be about you. edit: typo

Thanks for illustrating the point. I wish that didn't happen, so that all life was not eradicated.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If things improve around you, you’re benefitted yourself. Pay attention.

Yeah, but you're going to have to put in the work to empathize with us to understand what you've put us through. So it will be pretty obvious to everyone you made the wish because you'll be having to think through answers to questions about empathy that will be trivial to everyone else. You have a few months to practice, you should get started. I think this will be a good exercise in empathy for you as you wont have a crutch.

And there is no temporary clause in what I stated.

You never said for how long.

People undergo the process during the lenght of a year. The outcome permanence is not dependent of that window of time.

Yes, so the wish can end as soon as the minimum duration you specified ends.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Ok, but only for a year and not for you.

On the internet, no one will know you've been turned into spaghetti.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You've been filed under Chapter 7 bankruptcy.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How about we avoid things that target all people without any conditions about how the goal is achieved.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And your argument is a comically reductionist one that calls literally anyone you don’t agree with a fascist and calls for them to be silenced.

Read my argument.

Your argument is a pro-fascist accelerationist ad hominen.

for supporting a left-wing party

Which party is that? In the US, we have a neoliberal party we should vote for, the Democrats, and a fascist party that needs to lose, the Republicans. I'm arguing we should vote for the Democrats. This meme is arguing there is no hope and that we should all give up and die. That's accelerationist bullshit. We should all live no matter our flaws. edit: typo

Some people do though. I've seen and debunked the facebook posts.

I was talking in terms of the median voter.

 

Tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets of Budapest in defiance of the Hungarian government’s ban on Pride, heeding a call by the city’s mayor to “come calmly and boldly to stand together for freedom, dignity and equal rights”.

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/28150055

[Alt-text] Pikachu Ezra Klein asks Slow King Schumer to "Incrementally improve society by deregulate housing."

Slow King Schumer says, "I'll ask the boss."

Spoink Bill Ackman says, "I'll pay you a million dollars to never do that."

Slow King Schumer says, "I'm so aroused."

Slow King Schumer says, "No."

Pikachu Ezra Klein has a surprised pikachu face.

 

[Alt-text] Pikachu Ezra Klein asks Slow King Schumer to "Incrementally improve society by deregulate housing."

Slow King Schumer says, "I'll ask the boss."

Spoink Bill Ackman says, "I'll pay you a million dollars to never do that."

Slow King Schumer says, "I'm so aroused."

Slow King Schumer says, "No."

Pikachu Ezra Klein has a surprised pikachu face.

 

[Alt-Text] Batman, an animated bat, and Robin, a robin, are in a room with an infinity gears machine. The Riddler is behind a locked door on an intercom.

Riddle me this Batman! The door to my room will only open if the last gear fully rotates, but you can only turn the first gear! How long will you be standing there? HAHAHAHA!

Holy sociological metaphor Batman! If you tired to fully turn the last gear by only incrementally turning the first gear, you would be standing there for 346 quintillion years! The Earth's orbit will decay before we catch the Riddler at this rate!

Batman picks up the infinity gears and then flips it over. This opens the locked door and reveals a surprised Riddler, who is a Tommy gun.

 

Last time the alt-text I wrote didn't seem to work. So I'm going to put it in the body as well.

[Alt-Text] A cyclops considers his predicament. "This dungeon is known for plucking out an eye as part of a hazing ritual. I'll conspire to replace the current boss! That'll fix it!"

Spongebob Squarepants style time skip. "One adventuring party later..."

A cyclops wearing an eyepatch considers his predicament. "So an organization's culture can persist across multiple leaders... Systemic change will fix it!"

 

If you are consuming this meme then you are living during history.

 

We've reached the second iteration. There isn't a lot separating us from the third iteration. And the material conditions were bad enough, at the latest, sometime between the first and the second iterations.

People know socialism exists. People are experiencing sufficiently bad material conditions that they want change.

People have picked up neoliberal ideas from living in a neoliberal society. These ideas give people a framework to process their material conditions so that they do not rise up in sufficient numbers. People need to learn that these ideas are part of an ideology designed to enrich the owner class at the expense of the worker class. Things will continue to get worse unless people understand that everyone needs to own their work.

This education is work that still needs to be done after hypothetically defeating the current fascist dictatorships and is probably part of what will be needed to defeat them.

I keep having this conversation with people and seeing the accelerationist line of reasoning, so I wanted to address it with a visual.

 

I'm not sure how pervasive this is, but Maeve@kbin.earth's comments don't seem to have federated. I can only see 24 of them from 9 months ago, but when I go to kbin.earth I can see the user has over 3000.

I'm definitely not a federation expert, so there may be a good reason for this. I wanted to point it out in case it was part of a larger issue.

 

I see this idea everywhere, that people who fall for fascism or MAGA must not be intelligent enough because no intelligent person could fall for that. This goes beyond just wanting to call MAGA dumb, which is not the issue.

This is effectively a thought terminating cliche, because we are lead to assume that nothing can be done about a person's intelligence.

There are all kinds of people in the MAGA movement. The commonality between them all is a refusal to use their critical thinking skills or in some cases a lack of those skills altogether.

Anyone can learn to think critically. We need to examine our neoliberal society to understand why people haven't or more often than not are refusing to think critically. And we need to encourage others to do the same.

 

From remains an unabashed centrist who believes that economic growth, not the economic populism of Sanders or Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is the answer. “It’s important the critical mass in the Democratic party show that it’s the party of opportunity, responsibility and community but not the party of the left,” he insists.

He also argues that the party should not be afraid to talk about law enforcement and developing a system of community policing rather than urging “defund the police”. Likewise it should embrace the idea of legal immigration and a border that is under control. From applauds governors who have made jobs available to people without college degrees.

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