I meant buying into capitalist marketing :p
Good point besides that!
awth13
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Of course LLMs aren't a simulation of consciousness with the same abilities of a human, the idea is that if a model was trained first on Marxist theory and history before taking in more information through that perspective there could be a point where this can be used to simulate economic models that would be useful for economic planning.
You couldn't make it any more confusing than talking about LLMs and economic model simulation in a single sentence then.
As for the inadequate education standards, I think the commodification of education destroyed and devalued these standards in pretty much any field so it's not surprising that it is the case in computer science. But if you are interested enough in computer science to enter a university and/or work in the field, surely you might at least read up on machine learning and have the necessary background to kind of understand how it works and what it can and cannot do?
Not very Marxist innit
You are confusing the wider field of machine learning, which has been developing in strides throughout 2010s (and before that really) without the media overhyping it to the extent that people think machines can think now, and LLMs, which birthed the media hype cycle that is the subject of criticism in this thread.
You overestimate the abilities of programmers.
It's rather that I don't want to make assumptions about the abilities of my peers. While it is true that people I respect and look up to in the hacker/FOSS space are all vehemently against the LLM hype, disregarding the opinion of others on the grounds of feeling smarter than them doesn't satisfy me. I wish to understand why they feel the way they feel and I just can't, hence the being gaslighted feeling I described in my first comment.
It's an interesting observation but I think it kind of breaks down when considering that some of the people doing the LLM gaslighting are trained programmers or computer scientists.
The fact that even here, in our Marxist circles, people don't get that and keep talking about LLMs "taking over" anything makes me feel gaslighted.
It appears to be confusing because other people also read your comments in the same way as me. Thank you for clarifying though, I understand that it must be frustrating getting your thoughts hijacked like that! Before I say anything else, I'd also like to clarify that, in my first comment, I didn't mean your comment in particular – I was replying to someone who already replied to you after all – but a wider trend I can't describe more specifically without naming names, which I don't want to do. With that being said,
Why certainly? That's the point where what you are saying now can feel like part of that LLM hype bullshit because I don't see how a chatbot can help a planned economy. Other machine learning models, sure, and I've fantasised about this before too, but LLMs seem to be orthogonal to this use case. Or do you rather mean that the insights obtained while developing LLMs can help us towards those better machine learning applications?