blackris

Your example is very bad, to be honest. Both Russia and Ukraine are states. All states today claim to be nations. Every nation is a social construct, made by inventing or at least warping history to explain the creation of a nation. States tend to equalize the people living on it's territory by introducing things like law, language, traditions or education. And they are actively trying to tell this story of "the people" to legitimate themselves. But the people are not the same. Look at your own country, wherever you live. There are always vast differences between places in different cardinal directions or at the borders vs. inland, between richer and poorer regions or between urban and rural areas. In Russia, that becomes very obvious, but it is the same everywhere.

Nationalism is the root of everything, I described. Nothing of that would have existed without a strong nationalist movement. Sure, there can be more or less extreme forms of nationalism, but this ideoligy is always dividing territory and people into the inside and outside.

Every Ukrainian fighting against Russian imperialism is fine. But at the end, I hope there are more people left to rebuilt the country, who fought for their freedom and not for some fucking glorious Father/Motherland.

I describe the Feeling as "happiness" or "fondness", never proudness. The place I identify with differs depending on the context. It is mostly my city, the part of my country or the part of Europe, I live in.

There are always some oddballs who claim 1 or 3 are better than Scholar. Do you want to work with such people? Better be safe than sorry.

TIL. Danke.

Are you kidding me?

Patriotism is great because patriotism is about loving what a country stands for.

Then:

The US doesn't stand for anything

What is it now?

Apart from that, you are projecting a bit much here. My point is not that you shouldn't take a stand against the fascist. On the contrary. But then do it right.

Don't be like them and run around with that patriotism bullshit. Don't pretend that your country was so great and free and fair and all. It never was. The rich always made themselves richer. Sexism, racism and classism where always a thing there. It got better, because the people stood up took their rights against push back, against violence and murder. But even in it's best days, the US was far away from equality.

Fight for equality, for fairness, for freedom and all that, but stop twisting that into what you want to make other people believe is some core value of your country and the only real patriotic thing or some shit.

Also entweder habt ihr es nicht so mit Pronomen oder die Badi steht nicht für Schwimmbad sondern für BadeANSTALT. Und das ist schon sehr sehr fies deutsch.

Jup, no harm done. Just millions of wild animals that get scared, wounded or are dying as a result. Not to forget the massive pollution of the air and the environment or the people with pets or special needs who are in most cases not really able to protect themselves from that. We humans are so shitty that this is by far not the worse we do. But "no harm done" is a sick joke.

Sure. But christo-fascist nationalism is what the US stands for, now. This "freedom and justice for all" thing was always a myth. Now that the thin layer of decency that held everything more or less together is gone, fascism is the new normal and the MAGA shitstains are the true American patriots. I mean, they sure love that. And wjat else is patriotism?

Why pride if interest is more than enough? A nation is inherently an invention. It creates a story why it came to be and why all the different cultures in it's territory are now "the people". I don't think you need that to be happy about where you live and/or to improve. It is also not needed to document history.

Just be happy about where you are from.

So if I read your comment correctly, everybody MAGA person is a real US partiot because your country stands for a corrupt, racist and predatory kleptocracy now. They sure love that.

If you cannot see, why the ideology that brought us both World Wars, Russias war against Ukraine and so many more modern conflicts, was the base of colonialism and neo-colonialism, imperialism, 20th century slavery, fascism, zionism and that let us buold borders where thousands die every year, you are lost.