Lack of privacy.
Especially over the last 6 months, things have been going crazy bananas. Facial recognition everywhere, data broker and data harvesting beyond belief, and aggressively marginalizing anyone that tries to leave the walled gardens.
My thoughts are my own. Let me search for weird stuff in peace.
A high level of toxic masculinity coupled with a fragile ego.
The documentation says it's TLS encrypted to the LLM context window. LLM processes, and the context window output goes back via TLS to you.
As long as the context window is only connected to Proton servers decrypting the TLS tunnel, and the LLM runs on their servers, and much like a VPN, they don't keep logs, then I don't see what the problem actually is here.
You said yourself that it wasn't actually wrong or deceptive or inaccurate, but rather "confusing."
read your own words.
SMH
No one is saying it's encrypted when processed, because that's not a thing that exists.
Because this is highly nuanced technical hair splitting, which is not typically a good way to sell things.
Look, we need to agree to disagree here, because you are not changing your mind, but I don't see anything compelling here that's introduced a sliver of doubt for me. If anything, forcing me to look into it in detail makes me feel more OK with using it.
Whatever. Have a nice day.
It is e2ee -- with the LLM context window!
When you email someone outside Proton servers, doesn't the same thing happen anyway? But the LLM is on Proton servers, so what's the actual vulnerability?
So then you object to the premise any LLM setup that isn't local can ever be "secure" and can't seem to articulate that.
What exactly is dishonest here? The language on their site is factually accurate, I've had to read it 7 times today because of you all. You just object to the premise of non-local LLMs and are, IMO, disingenuously making that a "brand issue" because....why? It sounds like a very emotional argument as it's not backed by any technical discussion beyond "local only secure, nothing else."
Beyond the fact that
They are not supposed to be able to and well designed e2ee services can’t be.
So then you trust that their system is well-designed already? What is this cognitive dissonance that they can secure the relatively insecure format of email, but can't figure out TLS and flushing logs for an LLM on their own servers? If anything, it's not even a complicated setup. TLS to the context window, don't keep logs, flush the data. How do you think no-log VPNs work? This isn't exactly all that far off from that.
I agree with the other person that the JC fan club-cum-cult only became a real cult heading to religion after it had the sacrificial death to lean on.
The escape velocity was achieved not from the leader dying, as the martyrdom was the key factor long-term, but more so that it survived the core group of founders by being pliable. It wasn't the "message" per se, but the decentralized and un-professionalizing of the religion that made it so that anyone could practice it, and for less hassle and cost than existing religions. It reached escape velocity because the barrier to entry for outsiders to practice and become leaders was lower.
Did you ever pet a dog the wrong direction and make their hair all scrunchified? Also no heaven.
Exactly. So then what, specifically, are people even complaining about here? Do people think that the Proton servers aren't encrypted?
it's just such weird, under-informed hate that doesn't benefit anyone.
I'm literally going around trying out old school forum sites this week.