traches

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[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, you're probably right. I already bought all the stuff, though. This project is halfway vibes based; something about spinning rust just feels fragile you know?

I'm definitely moving away from the complex archive split & merge solution. fpart can make lists of files that add up to a given size, and fd can find files modified since a given date. Little bit of plumbing and I've got incremental backups that show up as plain files & folders on a disk.

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ohhh boy, after so many people are suggesting I do simple files directly on the disks I went back and rethought some things. I think I'm landing on a solution that does everything and doesn't require me to manually manage all these files:

  • fd (and any number of other programs) can produce lists of files that have been modified since a given date.
  • fpart can produce lists of files that add up to a given size.
  • xorrisofs can accept lists of files to add to an iso

So if I fd a list of new files (or don't for the first backup), pipe them into fpart to chunk them up, and then pass these lists into xorrisofs to create ISOs, I've solved almost every problem.

  • The disks have plain files and folders on them, no special software is needed to read them. My wife could connect a drive, pop the disk in, and the photos would be right there organized by folder.
  • Incremental updates can be accomplished by keeping track of whenever the last backup was.
  • The fpart lists are also a greppable index; I can use them to find particular files easily.
  • Corruption only affects that particular file, not the whole archive.
  • A full restore can be accomplished with rsync or other basic tools.

Downsides:

  • Change detection is naive. Just mtime. Good enough?
  • Renames will still produce new copies. Solution: don't rename files. They're organized well enough, stop messing with it.
  • Deletions will be disregarded. I could solve this with some sort of indexing scheme, but I don't think I care enough to bother.
  • There isn't much rhyme or reason to how fpart splits up files. The first backup will be a bit chaotic. I don't think I really care.
  • If I rsync -a some files into the dataset, which have mtimes older than the last backup, they won't get slurped up in the next one. Can be solved by checking that all files are already in the existing fpart indices, or by just not doing that.

Honestly those downsides look quite tolerable given the benefits. Is there some software that will produce and track a checksum database?

Off to do some testing to make sure these things work like I think they do!

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I already use restic which is extremely similar and I don't believe it could do this either. Both are awesome projects though

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hey cool, I hadn't heard of bacula! Looks like a really robust project. I did look into tape storage, but I can't find a tape drive for a reasonable price that doesn't have a high jank factor (internal, 5.25" drives with weird enterprise connectors and such).

I'm digging through their docs and I can't find anything about optical media, except for a page in the manual for an old version saying not to use it. Am I missing something? It seems heavly geared towards tapes.

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Can borg back up to write-once optical media spread over multiple disks? I'm looking through their docs and I can't find anything like that. I see an append-only mode but that seems more focused on preventing hacked clients from corrupting data on a server.

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I'm using standard BD-DLs. M-Disks are almost triple the price, and this project is already too costly. I'm not looking for centuries of longevity, I'm using optical media because it's read-only once written. I read that properly stored Blu-Rays should be good for 10 or 20 years, which is good enough for me. I'll make another copy when the read errors start getting bad.

Copying files directly would work, but my library is real big and that sounds tedious. I have photos going back to the 80s and curating, tagging, and editing them is an ongoing job. (This data is saved in XMP sidecars alongside the original photos). I also won't be encrypting or compressing them for the same reasons you mentioned.

For me, the benefit of the archive tool is to automatically split it up into disk-sized chunks. That and to automatically detect changes and save a new version; your first key doesn't hold true for this dataset. You're right though, I'm sacrificing accessibility for the rest of the family. I'm hoping to address this with thorough documentation and static binaries on every disk.

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Woah, that's cool! I didn't know you just zfs send anywhere. I suppose I'd have to split it up manually with split or something to get 50gb chunks?

Dar has dar_manager which you can use to create a database of snapshots and slices that you can use to locate individual files, but honestly if I'm using this backup it'll almost certainly be a full restore after some cataclysm. If I just want a few files I'll use one of my other, always-online backups.

Edit: Clicked save before I was finished

I'm more concerned with robustness than efficiency. Dar will warn you about corruption, which should only affect that particular file and not the whole archive. Tar will allow you to read past errors so the whole archive won't be ruined, but I'm not sure how bad the affects would be. I'm really not a fan of a solution that needs every part of every disk to be read perfectly.

I could chunk them up manually, but we're talking about 2TB of lumpy data, spread across hundreds of thousands of files. I'll definitely need some sort of tooling to track changes, I'm not doing that manually and I bounce around the photo library changing metadata all the time.

 

I'm working on a project to back up my family photos from TrueNas to Blu-Ray disks. I have other, more traditional backups based on restic and zfs send/receive, but I don't like the fact that I could delete every copy using only the mouse and keyboard from my main PC. I want something that can't be ransomwared and that I can't screw up once created.

The dataset is currently about 2TB, and we're adding about 200GB per year. It's a lot of disks, but manageably so. I've purchased good quality 50GB blank disks and a burner, as well as a nice box and some silica gel packs to keep them cool, dark, dry, and generally protected. I'll be making one big initial backup, and then I'll run incremental backups ~monthly to capture new photos and edits to existing ones, at which time I'll also spot-check a disk or two for read errors using DVDisaster. I'm hoping to get 10 years out of this arrangement, though longer is of course better.

I've got most of the pieces worked out, but the last big question I need to answer is which software I will actually use to create the archive files. I've narrowed it down to two options: dar and bog-standard gnu tar. Both can create multipart, incremental backups, which is the core capability I need.

Dar Advantages (that I care about):

  • This is exactly what it's designed to do.
  • It can detect and tolerate data corruption. (I'll be adding ECC data to the disks using DVDisaster, but defense in depth is nice.)
  • More robust file change detection, it appears to be hash based?
  • It allows me to create a database I can use to locate and restore individual files without searching through many disks.

Dar disadvantages:

  • It appears to be a pretty obscure, generally inactive project. The documentation looks straight out of the early 2000s and it doesn't have https. I worry it will go offline, or I'll run into some weird bug that ruins the show.
  • Doesn't detect renames. Will back up a whole new copy. (Problematic if I get to reorganizing)
  • I can't find a maintained GUI project for it, and my wife ain't about to learn a CLI. Would be nice if I'm not the only person in the world who could get photos off of these disks.

Tar Advantages (that I care about):

  • battle-tested, reliable, not going anywhere
  • It's already installed on every single linux & mac PC , and it's trivial to put on a windows pc.
  • Correctly detects renames, does not create new copies.
  • There are maintained GUIs available; non-nerds may be able to access

Tar disadvantages:

  • I don't see an easy way to locate individual files, beyond grepping through snar metadata files (that aren't really meant for that).
  • The file change detection logic makes me nervous - it appears to be based on modification time and inode numbers. The photos are in a ZFS dataset on truenas, mounted on my local machine via SMB. I don't even know what an inode number is, how can I be sure that they won't change somehow? Am I stuck with this exact NAS setup until I'm ready to make a whole new base backup? This many blu-rays aren't cheap and burning them will take awhile, I don't want to do it unnecessarily.

I'm genuinely conflicted, but I'm leaning towards dar. Does anyone else have any experience with this sort of thing? Is there another option I'm missing? Any input is greatly appreciated!

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

It’s an excuse to throw a big party for all your friends

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 126 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Absolute free speech is overrated. You shouldn’t be able to just lie out your ass and call it news.

The fact that the only people who had any claim against Fox for telling the Big Lie was the fucking voting machine company over lost profits tells you everything you need to know about our country

[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
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[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

you motherfucker

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