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The Fediverse is at risk by the EU KIDS ACT! (www.heise.de)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/53166284

This law affects everyone, especially people in the EU and is an attempt to implement ID verification on: Video-sharing platforms, #AI chatbots, AI companions, games, software app stores and operating systems. https://mastodon.social/@madeindex/117285674482286098

We need to: #STOPEUKIDSACT NOW!

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[–] 60 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I hate when people validate the core idea of needing to protect children through age verification. Timmy lying about being over 18 to look at some boobs is not a problem that needs to be resolved. It's like requiring everyone to wear body cameras specifically to prevent store clerks from being rude to you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    You say that about Timmy, but what about Sally who is drawing very detailed furry porn? Or Jack with his questionable anime notepad.

    Just some real examples I remember from school. You can't even outlaw the pen to stop it, the rock layers around us were chalk. Quite often saw kids use it to draw on paths.

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  • [+] -20 points 1 week ago* (9 children)

    tbh, i’m more scared of the pedos that haunt roblox and every other platform for children rather them seeing boobs.

    i don’t like age verification either, but that means my kids aren’t allowed to use the internet except in a very restricted fashion. meanwhile every single one of their peers is left to run wild, so they’re socially isolated as a result

    don’t pretend internet anonymity is an unalloyed good. fuck, just look at the bot farms for a less rapey problem of enormous magnitude.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    As a parent, you should be the one making sure to educate your child about the internet. If necessary, learn how to block websites on your router.

    The governments job isn’t to require an ID to access the entire internet for something that a parent should be doing.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    i'm already keeping them off the wider internet. that's not the point. the point is that even if i do that, society as a whole makes it very, very difficult.

    i'm not saying anyone should give a website id. one of the major things i repeat is: "never give a website a face or an id"

    but the idea that it's just reactionary "omg my kids can't see boobs" is flat out wrong. the internet is a dangerous place for everyone, but especially children. pretending it's not is hiding your head in the sand. at the same time as it is incredibly dangerous, basically all the forces of modern society are trying to force our children on to it.

    this is a battle i fight daily, and have been fighting for many years, and i'm tired of people trying to pretend it's simple when it is anything but.

    you are not going to win over people rightly concerned about their kids by telling them it's actually simple when it isn't. you're going to drive them away.

    you want to tackle this, you have to acknowledge reality, and that reality is that on the internet, your children are prey.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    That is what you signed up for when having a child. The way society in general is not doing the right thing doesn’t matter.

    There are better ways to mitigate the dangers of the internet other than the literal worst option, blanket ID for internet access. Which is what we really know is coming, which is why they are fighting so hard to pass it every other week it seems.

    Look at what they do for kids already and ask yourself if you truly find them to be doing this in the best interests of the parents or the kids?

    This will lead to darker roads for everyone. It’s not my fault, or your fault, that people don’t know how to raise children in the modern era.

    How about the government bring back computer classes and make material on what you are saying? That would be the simpler approach, right? Educate everyone on HOW to navigate the web?

    But no. Let’s always go with the worst option, because it’s really NOT about the kids.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    you need to re-read everything i wrote because you clearly did not understand it when i twice said that i don't want id verification. you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with someone else in your head

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    you are not going to win over people rightly concerned about their kids by telling them it’s actually simple when it isn’t. you’re going to drive them away.

    This is you saying you want this.

    There's one thing I agree with, it's not about protecting kids from boobs. It's about completely eliminating anonymity from the Internet, while acquiring a massive database of personal information, easily tied to websites you visit, and easily leakable by hackers.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    This is you saying you want this.

    yes. does that say "we need age verification"? it says we need to acknowledge legitimate issues if we're to have any hope at consensus.

    age verification is not the answer, it's just the only one being proffered.. you want to make this go away? find a better answer to the problem and espouse that.

    here's a small one: no use of internet connected laptops for school work since that is widespread and directly undermines a parent's ability to keep tabs on their kids.

    the answer is not "you're just a prude afraid of boobs, loser." that's how you drive people to the right wing, because at least those guys are saying "the internet is dangerous for kids." and that's how you end up in the funnel.

    eta: sorry about the insult if you saw it. it had no place here

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    Roblox needs to be burned down for the situations they knowingly put kids into to be honest

    FFS I’m showing my age here but Webkinz had a strict locked down, easily revocable parental opt-in requirement for anything resembling typed chat, and the default was a drop-down menu of innocuous stuff that meant nobody could exchange information to go onto other platforms. Roblox could do something like that but shoving data vulnerability onto parents and kids is a sleazy cop out.

    Platforms that advertise openness to kids should be held to stricter standards, for sure.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    don’t pretend internet anonymity is an unalloyed good. fuck, just look at the bot farms for a less rapey problem of enormous magnitude.

    And how is a central (read hackable jackpot) on internet identity better?

    Not specifically I'd verification, but what do you propose for internet identity? Because any collection you make for it, is gonna be hacked eventually, and be a gold mine for the first that does.

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