mine is perhaps a mastodon with dislikes

a loops like but for youtube shorts instead of tiktok

email (i am not technical but since it is hard to self host email what if someone made a email that could be self hosted that is a part of the fediverse)

and a facebook like that isnt outdated as friendica

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[–] [S] 1 point 4 days ago (8 children)

well sorry for providing little description on the email part

what i mean is that i know email is federated but like it isn't easy to host and requires a bunch of stuff that you have to pay or not own for

so because the protocol's that the fediverse uses are mostly modern basically i mean that it is a easy to host email requiring fewer things and fewers money to spend on

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  • [–] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    What makes e-mail hard to host is not the protocol, which is actualy great (especially for its age) or implementations (they are even better), but the actual specifics of the service: volume, popularity, importance. All these pull various bad actors: spammers, scammers, big corporations wanting monopoly, etc. I don't think fediverse have means to fight that. E-mail services got a of mechanisms to fight most of that, and that makes it difficult to host.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 days ago (1 child)

    maybe yes but since the implementation can have plugin support it will be likely that it wont be that hard (unless the plugin's have bugs)

    especially if that implementation can defederate without bugs and also i expect people making those implementations can add a send limit per minute or something else

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago

    The problem isn't a lack of plugins. Email servers have all sorts of "plugins". Any spammer prevention plugin you can think of, and a thousand others that you haven't even imagined have already been implemented for email.

    And email servers already defederate all the time. That's why it is hard to get small email servers to reliably send mail. You have to convince others to federate with you.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Do you host any type of Fediverse server? If no, why not?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 days ago (3 children)

    i do self host things just not fediverse i know to use nextcloud searxng and a bit more

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    My point being, yes hosting email is a pain in the ass but it can be done. Hosting a Fediverse server is also a good bit of work. So email is the original federated protocol but there’s really no way to “fix” it.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    maybe but also like i dont think we should fix email we should start from 0 again IMAP is rotting

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    The hardest parts of email are the bits that have been pasted on after the fact to deal with issues like encryption, spam, and phishing that were't considered from the outset.

    You can get self deploying packages that set virtually everything up aside from some DNS records maybe and dealing with the various spam lists that don't like dynamic home IPs.

    Email though is just another addressed messaging service, no matter the protocols behind it, if something has the capacity to send mass unsolicited comms, someone will try and abuse that, and someone else will create mechanisms to prevent it, and then we end up with the same complications that email has in the cat & mouse world of controlling junkmail.

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