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Today we’re very excited to announce the open-source release of the Windows Subsystem for Linux. This is the result of a multiyear effort to prepare for this, and a great closure to the first ever issue raised on the Microsoft/WSL repo:

https://github.com/microsoft/WSL

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[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 235 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I still will never understand why it's not called Linux Subsystem for Windows.

[–] Arthur@literature.cafe 138 points 3 days ago (3 children)

There's a trademark for Linux so Microsoft can't name a product starting with Linux.

https://xcancel.com/richturn_ms/status/1245481405947076610

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 110 points 3 days ago (5 children)

So they can use Linux in the name, just not at the beginning? We're so stupid. Can they do Windows Subsystem for Coke? Or Windows Subsystem for McDonald's? Or Windows Subsystem for MacOs?

Good gravy.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think trademark law has a strange history in the US

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

I'm sure it does, I was just being facetious.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] psyvibe@lemm.ee 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I think this only applies to using the word “gravy” for payment services or a website referring to such a payment service. There was a prior trademark on the word for use with plush toy products.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Indeed, it's why Apple could be trademarked as the name of an electronics company. But you can't rock up to the trademark office and register "Pear" for a company selling pear-related products.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

Yes, there are a bunch of trademarks on the word "gravy", in different industries. I was going to link to that one you mentioned, because for some reason despite being plush toy products, the company holding it was Bob Evans. But it's since been canceled, and the company name doesn't appear on the page, so I chose an active trademark instead.

[–] lando55@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Disney presents Good Gravy®️

[–] addison@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago

Good Gravy®️ Presentation for Disney

[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I mean I guess it makes some sense. Linux Subsystem for Windows to the uninitiated might sound like it "comes from the Linux brand", whilst Windows Subsystem for Linux sounds more like its made by Windows.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] boatswain@infosec.pub 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is trademark, not copyright

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah but they aren't wrong

[–] tuxiqae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 days ago

Still doesnt explain why it wasn't called Windows Linux Subsystem (WLS)

[–] gradual@lemmings.world -4 points 3 days ago

Not in the spirit of free software, if you ask me.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it is because Windows has many subsystems, it's just that you don't hear about most of them aside from WSL.

So it is referring to the particular Windows Subsystem (of which there are many) that can run or emulate Linux.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Wait, Windows still has POSIX subsystem or is it only listed for documentation reasons (it was there at least in old NT days)?

[–] simple@lemm.ee 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I got hung up on this before too but it's apparently "Windows Subsystem for (using) Linux"

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

Maybe they just named it like the previous attempt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX