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[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 40 points 5 days ago

Don't forget gutting USAID and research funding, including children's cancer research, so they can instead pay for the hired thugs in ICE. Legitimately one of the most shameful things the US has ever done in terms of deaths caused, in the short and long term.

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[–] Pratai@piefed.ca [S] 36 points 5 days ago

One side is circling their wagons around a child fucking pedophile rapist.

The other side isn’t.

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[–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

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[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The gulf wars started under democrats. Privatization was pushed by Clinton. Ice was created by Obama. Ya they aren't as different as you think. I vote 3rd party for 20 years btw.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

The guilf wars started in 1990, 1991 started under a republican president and democrat congress where they had overwhelming republican support and divided democrat support. 100% gop wars for sure.

Edit: with a republican commander in chief. GOP wars without doubt.

Edit2: ICE was created under W in 2003...GOP again.

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[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 child)

Here because you need to do some reading https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-border-agents-hands-tied-obama.

And here because you need to know history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_bombing_of_Iraq

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https://www.ice.gov/history

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 days ago

"ICE was created by Obama."

2003...no getting out of the lie.

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[+] skunk@lemmy.zip -10 points 4 days ago (10 children)

On the first point here is Biden's envoy to west asia Amos Hochstein saying that they expected to be in the same situation with respect to the Ramadan War and the subsequent fallout. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuhJS1d-F6Y&t=169s

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[–] freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 child)

The fact that you lied about how important he was in the Biden administration is telling. Under Biden he was 1 of 4,000 senior advisors.

He was appointed Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in 2011 and as Special Envoy and Coordinator for International Energy Affairs in 2013. In 2015, President Barack Obama nominated Hochstein to be the Assistant Secretary of State for Energy Resources but the Senate did not act on the nomination.

Liar.

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[–] skunk@lemmy.zip -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

He was sent by biden to negotiate with lebanon following operation al-aqsa flood. He is a senior figure with unique first-person insights into the current situation in west asia and Biden's strategy should he have been reelected.

During the Israel–Hezbollah conflict, Hochstein made multiple trips to Lebanon as a special U.S. envoy in order to negotiate a resolution to the conflict. His strategy was to push Hezbollah to pressure Hamas into accepting a ceasefire agreement to end the Gaza war. In the case Israel and Hamas were to reach such a deal, Hezbollah had promised to in turn end its attacks on Israel.

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_Hochstein

He is the guy Biden sent whenever US foreign policy needed to be discussed on the ground in West Asia, he is definitely not "one of 4,000".

Dickhead. Fitting username though.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (7 children)

Or...

Biden was a strong supporter of the original Iran nuclear deal that Trump eventually withdrew from. Biden tried to negotiate back into the deal while president but was not able to during first term. All signs point to more negotiations during a possible biden second term(iranian ppl beginning to distrust their gov), not a 180 turn to invasion...which no one wanted(of either party) and would never have happened under Biden.

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[–] skunk@lemmy.zip -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Ok, I have Biden's go-to guy when it comes to diplomacy in west asia saying otherwise. I don't see anything that supports this other than indications (but no commitments) all of which are prior to operation al-aqsa flood.

Edit: sorry the first response was too confrontational, the other commenter had raised my hackles with their aggressive response

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Don't forget republicans have started every war for generations(at least 60yrs). All of the sudden modern dems decide to start a war because of one guy's opinion? It would have been the most unpopular move by a democrat since.. who knows when. Far more likely is a coalition of many, now former, strong allies pressuring Iran but without military intervention.

Every government runs war simulations about everything so that is also no indication at all.

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[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Libya. Yugoslavia. Syria.

But also, you are proving the both sides problem. Eisenhower sent a few hundred soldiers to Vietnam. It was the Democrats that escalated and went hog wild and it was the Republicans that signed the peace accords. Somalia followed the same patterns.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

I was obviously including vietnam for Dems when I said 60 years. So in generations they have all been started by republicans. As much as you would like, none of the ones you mentioned were wars. Interventions yes, and republicans have been involved in many as well. But wars? Only the war mongering gop. With a shiny new Iran war to get the gop's heart pumping again.

Edit: You're .ml which are gop war minimizers now it seems. So strange.

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[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So you're not using the legal definition of wars, and you're not using the coloquial definition of wars. You're using an idiosyncratic definition of war that proves your point. Well done. Someone should capture that technique. It's gold. Defining terms to match your objectives. Why didn't I think of that?

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago (1 child)

Add up the wars of the last 40 years in money spent and lives lost. Your favorite Gop are the undisputed champions.

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[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

So now it's 40 years, and not 60? Pretty explicit. The last party realignment was 1968, by the way. Which is why you're previous pick of 60 was so difficult to defend. I would expect you to know that, because you're such an informed voter, but I guess I should never underestimate the ignorance of my fellow Americans.

Regardless, in PR it's important that one plays their role. The Democrats need the Republicans to start the wars in order to maintain their grip on the anti-war vote. The Ds are obviously not anti-war, as evidenced by the fact that they don't ever reduce the military budget and they never hold Republicans accountable for breaking the law to launch wars. The Democrat stance on war is "well, we have to finish what our opponents started!" That includes genocide against Palestinians as much as it includes launching net new campaigns that were planned by Republican administrations, like Libya.

But we can also look at non-war deaths too. Economic sanctions from the US have killed way more than wars have. The research published by the Lancet showed an average of 800K dead per year for the last 50 years. Bi-partisan consensus in those sanctions, by the way. Way more devastating than wars. And sanctions kill children, pregnant women, the elderly, and the sick way more than war does.

And before you ask, the solution is ending the USA entirely.

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[+] DupaCycki@lemmy.world -19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

One side destroyed relationship with strongest allies for nothing while other side didn't.

The US has never had a single ally, maybe except Israel. Only vassals.

If you think this is the first administration to abuse and antagonize countries it usually works with, you have not been paying any attention to what has been happening for the last 250 years.

The US is singlehandedly responsible for the EU still not being more closely united, as it always had and used its de facto veto over anything.

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[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 5 points 5 days ago (1 child)

The US has never had a single ally, maybe except Israel. Only vassals.

Okay, I’ll bite.

In what ways has Australia been, and does Australia continue to be, a vassal of the USA? From our perspective, the USA has always been an ally for a long time (both militarily and economically), but the G.W. Bush and Trump presidencies, as well as the shambles of the AUKUS deal, have tested the resolve of the Australian public.

Generally speaking, Australian politicians - including governments - have never acted towards the USA as being a governing force over our vassal-like nature, nor outside the realms of an ally, so I’m wondering where your supposition comes from in our context.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 days ago

I don't necessarily agree with the person you replied to, but the existence of Five Eyes doesn't exactly help your position...