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Western media and its misinfo (europe.pub)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_North_Korea#Sensationalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Act_(South_Korea) only allowing for negative news against NK

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Journalism that is free from corporatations, governments, or powerful rich weirdos.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago (14 children)

In that case, you're going to be extremely limited. There's plenty of YouTube videos like this one from Boy Boy, but that's going to be the limit if you want neither corporations nor governments. Media is gatekept globally behind deals and limited access.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 3 days ago (13 children)

How can that be possible? There are plenty of news sources here that aren't backed by corporations nor governments. Obviously we have a problem with bias in media globally, but it's not ALL media. I'm more looking for the North Korean equivalent of, like, Counterpunch, Common Dreams, Real News Network, or hell, even Democracy Now.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Those are all linked with corporations, though, with few exceptions. The DPRK has a planned economy, the means of production and distribution are socially owned. Thus, "independence" is in reality private ownership. Your decision to distrust socially owned media is more of a personal choice, but there's a lot to learn from it.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 3 days ago (11 children)

It's not a distrust of socially owned media, it's a distrust of states. I don't trust any government to give me facts about what's happening in their own country. In a place where people are allowed to independently investigate and publish their own findings or even their own opinions, I can at get an idea of how a variety of common folks I've and feel within their systems. I can't find a source like that for DPRK

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Why don't you trust working people to honestly report on their own system? Again, "independence" in this case means "private." You can listen to common people already, that's what socially owned news does, and you can listen to people on the street in videos like the one I linked. You've claimed a point, but I don't see the logical basis for it other than a generic distrust for organizations.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 days ago* (9 children)

You can call independent journalism private as an epithet all you want, but I'm still not going to trust North Korean BBC to report truthfully about North Korea the same as I'm not going to trust actual BBC to report truthfully about Britain. States are gonna state.

The video you linked is a fun watch, but it also starts from a pov assuming that I automatically believe what corporate and state media in the imperial core has told me about the DPRK and I already don't. The first 10 minutes are just talking about the U.S. media talking about NK, then there's less than 1min of footage actually in North Korea, the majority of which is just b-roll, and not a single interview with a Korean, then the rest of the video is just a pretty good discussion about why the kinds of things western countries do and the kinds of things that the DPRK does are just the kinds of things that countries do. Which again, I agree with all of that, but a good discussion.

What I'm not seeing is any kind of actual North Korean talking about their daily lives, or things they like or dislike about where they live, ways they want to participate, the people in their lives they love, or anything else really.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Why would you put a capitalist state and socialist state at the same level? The state is not outside class struggle, but is a product of class struggle, meaning it has a definite class character.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I'm just looking for good news sources dude. Nobody seems to be able to provide that

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago (6 children)

KCNA is a good news source IMO, as are sites like DPRKToday. They don't fulfill your requirements for independence, but that doesn't mean they aren't good sources for understanding the DPRK.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 day ago (5 children)

Are there NO news agencies in DPRK that challenge authority? I feel like that's one of the most important things that journalism can do in a society, and without that there really isn't any journalism. Can you provide me with one of those sources so I can properly contrast with KCNA?

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What do you mean by "challenging authority?" Do you mean critiquing government policy? If so, that's already a part of the DPRK's government process. You have a very strange idea of what journalism needs to be. Rodong Sinmun is the WPK's newspaper, whereas KCNA is the government's.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 day ago* (3 children)

Critiquing government policy, generally freely expressing grievances about the ruling class, etc. Yeah, pretty much that. I don't think it's strange for me to assume that journalism should exist as a non-governmental entity meant to keep authority in check. Otherwise it's just disseminating government propaganda which is something we should be wary in any system. Thank you for being helpful and giving me resources. I didn't even know these resources existed, and I feel like if some of your peers would come off as genuinely helpful (as you have) rather than gate-keepy and condescending, then ya'll would probably have a different reputation around these parts. Thank you, comrade.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Being a non-government entity does not mean it isn't propaganda. Propaganda isn't even inherently incorrect, it's information conveyed with a purpose. As I said, Rodong Sinmun is the WPK's news, so not the same as the government. KCNA is not the WPK. These are different entities, run by different people. The reason I point out that I think your wish for fully independent media is strange is because it's not necessarily good for transparency and pushback against potentially unpopular policy. The correct ideas do not win out in the "marketplace of ideas." Criticism and self-criticism are already fundamental to socialist practice, and the DPRK already has democratically run institutions with more distributed power than, for example, the US.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 15 hours ago (1 child)

I didn't say any of this stuff except the word "propaganda" I was thanking you for the resources. This is what I was trying to politely convey to you though. Maybe don't turn everything into an argument, you know? I have no idea why you assume I'm some kind of "marketplace of ideas guy" when I've been dropping hints all over the place that I'm an anarchist.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 15 hours ago

I'm sorry if it sounded rude or argumentative, I was just trying to give you food for thought regarding what independence means for a system that is largely socially owned. I'm aware that you're an anarchist, and hence highly skeptical of socialist states like the DPRK, so I was trying to provide an avenue to reconsider your analytical methods.

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