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Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei – three angry old men who could get us all killed (www.theguardian.com)

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This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.

This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.

Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?

Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They call the Gaza genocide a "war" to this day. Opinion articles and quotes from others are not Guardian editorial.

Here is what actual news calling it a genocide looks like. Not hiding behind opinion articles and quote marks.

The ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians remains, as ever, the clear goal of the Israeli government in Gaza. “The Gazans we evacuate will not return. They will not be there; we will control there. There is no other target. Any other target is a bluff,” Netanyahu added.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You mean tens of articles published in a main stream media since the genocide started all calling it a genocide has no impact? It has more impact than a smaller scale news site publishing similar editorial pieces. It has more reach and it contributes more. Having an editorial article with the same tone is the ideal situation but I will take the former any day when other media fire their long time employees for just a single comic for god's sake. And we know how much international bullying there is to call writers of such articles anti-semitist. So creating an environment where people can publish such articles in a mainstream media outlet takes a lot of effort, resources and shielding. If we are going to race quotes here you go:

Israel’s leaders committed genocide in Gaza and must pay for it. Their political and media allies must too

There was a palastine support march in London about a month ago with almost half a million people joining it and a kilometers long line of people. I would like to think that main stream media allowing opinion pieces calling genocide a genocide has some contribution to that.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Try posting them here or anywhere else and see what the mods do with opinion articles if they are critical of Israel.

Israel’s leaders committed genocide in Gaza and must pay for it. Their political and media allies must too

Is written by Owen Jones who heavily pushed for this himself. TheGuardian did not decide to publish that out of their own free will. Owen is one of those "tiny guys" you are talking about. He makes videos against the Palestinian genocide almost daily.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the Guardian did not decide to publish this opinion piece and tens of others from Owen and other authors with similar tones how did all these get published? Did they blackmail Guardian into publishing these? How is it not their free will?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

TheGuardian readers started getting turned off because they started noticing the paper is a propaganda rag.

Why do you think it took TheGuardian more than a year to finally shift tone against Israel and allow some opinion articles?

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

More than a year? There is a 2023 article calling it a genocide and zionism. I have linked tens of articles above ranging from 2023 to 2024 with similar tones. I have not seen any links from you that support your claims.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I never saw that 2023 article before. Must have been buried in the back beneath TheGuardian their fake rape claims of october 7

By cross-referencing testimonies given to police, published interviews with witnesses, and photo and video footage taken by survivors and first responders, the Guardian is aware of at least six sexual assaults for which multiple corroborating pieces of evidence exist. Two of those victims, who were murdered, were aged under 18.

Here is the actual news which you will NEVER see TheGuardian publishing:

No rape allegations filed from 7 October, reveals Israeli prosecutor

Gaz stated that her department has found no evidence of sexual violence. “In the end, we don’t have any complainants. What was presented in the media compared to what will eventually come together will be entirely different,” she said.

Moreover, women’s rights organisations contacted by her office also reported no cases brought to their attention. “We approached women’s rights organisations and asked for cooperation. They told us that no one had approached them,” Gaz added.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

I agree the tone of the article is extremely biased (the same author (Guardians Jerusalem correspondent I believe) did at least went on to document many civilian deaths on the Palestinians side as well at least). Guardian also reports on the other side of the story too:

Claims of Israeli sexual assault of Palestinian women are credible, UN panel says

and many others. So this is to me more a case of bad individually biased journalism rather than a reporting that is enforced by general journal policies. Were it the latter case, we would not be able to see all the other articles I linked and the same author would not be able to write articles such as

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/24/new-details-on-killing-of-paramedics-in-gaza-appear-to-contradict-idf-account

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/19/gaza-palestinians-israeli-aid-blockade

This is not what a completely biased media is. What you linked looks more like a hastily written article without waiting for resolution of all the evidence, perhaps because the author took the supposed description of events too emotionally. I agree though, it would have been much better if that news was presented in the form of laying all the facts neutrally and leaving it there such as:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_October_7_attacks

The fact that Israeli government tried to created a distorted perception of what happened during the Hamas attacks or is committing genocide in Palestine does not clear Hamas of killing (in some cases violently) and kidnapping civilians though. So there is that. Fuck state of Israel and zionism but also fuck Islamist terrorist organizations who forces their msoygnistic world views on the populace the moment they get control of a city. So there is that just to clarify my perspective on the matter.