disguy_ovahea comments on How long will people be in denial that america is now a fascist regime? You all really going to wait until trumps third term until you come to terms with it, arent you?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

What does any of that have to do with my original point of Trump not the necessary having abject loyalty of the military to use it as force against the people? You’re arguing a completely different point now about technicalities, and haven’t substantiated a counterargument against my point. Are you just in the debating mood?

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Lol, my response was that you do not need abject loyalty in order to have the military use force against your own population. As I already stated Hitler never achieved abject loyalty over the military and regularly used the SS to oppress dissonance within Germany.

You then went on to claim that America is different because the Nuremberg trial made it to where soldiers could refuse illegal orders. I then responded with examples of why that wasn't a valid argument.

Every one of my rebuttals have been direct responses to your claims, I even quoted what I was responding to......

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You’re missing the part where the non-loyal German soldiers would face harsh consequences, including execution, for failing to follow orders. That returns us to my original point about the top-down military.

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You’re missing the part where the non-loyal German soldiers would face harsh consequences, including execution, for failing to follow orders.

I already addressed that..... American soldiers can also face harsh consequences for refusing "legal" orders. The legality of orders are determined by a military court which has a long history of being extremely biased toward protecting commanding officers.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So your argument is that the government won’t follow the law, but soldiers will? You don’t know many people in the military.

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So your argument is that the government won’t follow the law, but soldiers will?

Is your reading comprehension okay? My point is that there is no real separation between the military and government. The military is led by the executive branch which ultimately hands out orders. The legality of those orders is not determined by the military, it's determined by the judiciary branch. If the judiciary determines an order as legal, then the military has no choice but to execute the order.

Which means...... The court system, which have been captured by the heritage foundation determines the legality of military borders.

You don’t know many people in the military.

Lol, my dad retired as a chief. I spent the first 16 years of my life growing up on military bases.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

With all that exposure, you sure don’t know how they work.

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago

And what makes you think you know anything about people in the military?

Most people serving are young, undereducated, and in no position to challenge their higher command. You pretending that they are lawyers with guns is ridiculous, most of them are just kids who joined because they wanted an education or wanted to leave a dead end town.

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