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I’m from Vietnam. I’ve been in the UK for 10 years now. When I met my English husband 13 years ago at 19 I knew 0 English. We communicated using machine translation. So that’s when I started learning English. Fast forward to present day after immersion, living in an English speaking country, formal study, etc. and I’d say my writing and listening (understanding) are good, but my speaking and reading are still bad. I kind of gave up on trying to become fluent at this point.

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[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 29 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Chiming in with more context, my PhD was in neuroscience and I worked in a language lab. As others have stated, there is a critical window for learning a language. The biology behind it is fascinating.

As early as about 9 months of age, your brain begins to decide what speech sounds are important to you. For example, in Japanese the difference between /r/ and /l/ sounds doesn't matter, but in English it does. Before 9 months, most babies can tell the difference between the two sounds, but babies living in Japanese-speaking environments (without any English) LOSE this ability after 9ish months!

Language is more than just speech sounds, though. Imagine all these nuances of language - there are critical moments where your brain just decides to accept or reject them, and it's coded somewhere in your DNA.

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago

Conversely, Japanese people learn to tell the difference between an "o" vowel held for shorter or longer periods, a skill that I find incredibly difficult even though I lived in Japan for 7 years.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

i've never understood this, i'm slightly older than 9 months and i've been perfectly able to pick up new sounds, and people learn new languages all the time..

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Perfectly? In a language system different than your own. English to French/Spanish doesn't require these sounds. English to like Thai or Chinese has a lot.

People learn new languages because you can get the ability back with training (hooray neurplasticity) but it is more difficult and takes longer.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 12 hours ago

that's moving the goalposts, the previous poster claims that you simply cannot tell the difference between sounds that don't exist in your native language, which is fucking obviously false and they should be ashamed of posting something like that

[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 points 13 hours ago

Have you tried learning Japanese / English after learning the other? I studied Japanese and learned how to pronounce the /r/ in Japanese correctly.

For some people, the difficulty is less in production, and more in interpretation for someone who is native Japanese speaking and later learned English.