this post was submitted on 26 Aug 2025
304 points (93.2% liked)

History Memes

3425 readers
1316 users here now

A place to share history memes!

Rules:

  1. No sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, assorted bigotry, etc.

  2. No fascism, atrocity denial or apologia, etc.

  3. Tag NSFW pics as NSFW.

  4. Follow all Lemmy.world rules.

Banner courtesy of @setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Context matters. Colonialism is a uniquely European affair with a particularly potent flavor of slavery and genocide. It’s not simply groups going after their neighbors to settle generational feuds.

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Eh, Imperial Japan sure had a good crack at Euro-style colonialism, even if they started a bit late.

If you're not going after your neighbours (or your neighbours' neighbours, once you conquer your neighbours), then you need a blue-water navy and preferably gunboats. And that's mostly a European thing, though you've got a bit of Qing Dynasty, Japan, and some chicken/egg questions over building the boats vs colonising.

There's a big pile over on /r/AskHistorians: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1aot4nr/why_is_the_term_colonialism_largely_not_applied/

[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 days ago

While that’s a good example it’s an exception not the rule. Imperialism vs the racist genocidal settler colonialism witnessed by European global expansion isn’t quite mom-and-pops old style imperialist or empire-style expansionism.

You can argue while some newer players like WWII Japan and modern-day Israel may not be as Eurocentric, that doesn’t change its birthplace.

Also, when you mention modern slavery and indigenous genocide people don’t go, “oh right! Japan!! The Ottomans or the Ming Dynasty!” They immediately think of Native American or Aboriginal genocide and multigenerational slavery based on race and industrialized into a global economy; one still hellbent on erasure of local culture and homogenization of “values” globally.

In fact, if neo-colonialism has its way the only place for unique human expression will be looking down upon it from behind museum glass as a memory of a different “time”. Cultural uniformity makes stable profitable consumer markets (or so the theory goes). You’re not wrong but I wouldn’t be so quick to say “hey, but look, they do it too!

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Referencing a subreddit is like asking hillbillies what they think for Trump. Next you'll probably link to British historians about how the British freed regions from savages or oppression during their imperialism and how famine they caused was not their mistake.

80% of reddit's traffic is like US/Europe, you think they'll have fair discussions about what Europe-US did/does/will do?

I've literally seen 100s of posts praising bush because he paints now or is seen with barracks wife. Both war criminals. That place is not a place for political information.

You should be ashamed of posting a link to a propaganda site.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

80% of reddit’s traffic is like US/Europe, you think they’ll have fair discussions about what Europe-US did/does/will do?

Yes. Puting aside the memes for a second, nobody is more critical of their own government than the citizens of said government (even if in abstract they benefit from the actions of said government, ex: like americans with the american cultural hegemony). It's why fascists always go after dissidents the hardest, because the people who are most familiar with the group are the ones with the most capacity to be insightfully critical about said group, and this threatens the ideal unity (or whatever they call it). This is fundamental to political theory. Marx and Engels have a whole musical number about this concept.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Colonialism is a uniquely European affair with a particularly potent flavor of slavery and genocide.

Jesus fucking Christ.