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EU investing in AI is not a win, good, or anything desirable.
AI is the worst "technology" to surface in a "post-fact" news, which helps proliferate fake news, misinformation, biased and propagandized talking points (i.e. pro-israel, anti-hong-kong-sovereignty, racism and transphobia...), kills jobs and undervalues labour in a cost of living and housing crisis.
This investment is a signal saying that the EU will not be a union for its people, but for its elite and businesses. It's an abdication of morals by EU politicians and governments.
Do people not realise that von der Leyen is a right-wing fan of totalitarianism? What she supports cannot be good for us.
She might just be defined by her connections in her actions, the person not mattering. I've heard that this person is just not very bright in some things outside of the bulk of their experience and knowledge. In general might be true for politicians. Their stakeholders need to have perspective. They need to keep faces, show good sense of humor and negotiating talent, and don't show what they think.
Not even totalitarianism, just power held by small elites, and this is a natural attraction for any human who got into rare places (also UvdL is notably a member of elites). See any sci-fi or fantasy universe, their plots often involve main characters and their small groups of acquaintances, traveling over all the world, solving millennium-old riddles, making color revolutions, and what not. All by a small group of heroes, all knowing each other. That's just natural. Humans always strive to monopolize decision-making for their group, without outsiders.
So - that person might not even understand they are evil. Maybe they are not. At the same time it's often really hard to tell which layer of a personality is the true one.
Long story short - yeah, I wouldn't trust judgement of people like UvdL or maybe Kallas (elites too, just ex-Soviet), and I wouldn't let them near power. But they themselves might not be malicious agents, just people thinking they are some sort of princess Leia in the New Republic, while the world is completely different and, notably, isn't comprised of NPCs in a game.
As to the point - it's a good technology to encourage critical thinking. It teaches you to trust nothing and nobody. The older generation, though, and even mine, show the opposite reaction, but anyone growing in a world where anything can be drawn believably by a computer will be used to think before believing.
It's good long-term. Short-term it's a catastrophe. They could use that investment for making a Xanadu-like EU-wide information system, plus cryptography as reinforcement, to counter the catastrophe, instead they are adding to it. Somehow with tech everyone tries to climb up and up faster, instead of fixing the foundations of towers they climb. Hypertext with reverse links and changes notification and global object identities and replication could solve so many flaws of WWW, that we wouldn't need a lot of what's been built on top of it.
I think the best answer would be to combat algorithms altogether.
The most ethical we could do with AI, is to discourage the usage of DeepSeek, ChatGPT and Musk's filth, and the like; and to favour European models that are:
โข energy efficient
โข do not discriminate
โข as accurate as possible
โข states before every prompt, that information is not always accurate, and the reader should consult non-profit, scientific and educational sources instead
No disrespect to you, but it is clear you don't understand the technology well.
Algorithms are, per definition, routine computations to perform a task. Even clicking on a link and then the browser requesting and displaying the page associated with it is an algorithm!
And about (generative) AI: -They cannot be made energy efficient because generation (giving you a text or image) is incredibly energy consuming -You cannot build an AI without bias or discrimination, because all your training material has to be unbiased and without discrimination - and social progress means that we will continue to recognize previously unknown harms in society. AI can only be as unbiased as its most biased training material. And the amount of data you need for training is too high to be efficient to gather before training. -AI cannot be made to be accurate. It is definitionally impossible, because it is basically an extension of auto-correct - it can only predict the next likely word from a huge collection of data. Accuracy is never a part of the algorithm of AI. -In terms of public service, it would be better to point out above chatbots that they can only generate legibile text, all other aspects are secondary.
So, in summary, what you suggest is technologically impossible, or at least misguided.
Well to specify, I mean algorithms for social media.
And isn't DeepSeek far more energy efficient than ChatGPT? Wouldn't it help to at least try to reduce it?
That said, thank you for the clarification, all that helps. I appreciate it.
It's true that AI has been a net negative for society. But leaving the cobtrol of AI tech at the hands of powers that want to hurt the EU's sovereignty is even worse.
Shooting yourself in the foot so others can't shoot you in the foot? No.
How about outlawing and banning the shooting of feet instead? That might work better.
The EU is also working of regulating AI. What else should they do? You can't outlaw people using AI.
Why can't you outlaw it? Define generative/inference AI systems, ban companies from interacting with EU people and companies, and then heavily punish anything being revealed to be commercially sold, made or used with that AI within the EU.
You can certainly try. The result would just be that people would use it in secret. Also what is "AI" to you? What exactly are you proposing to ban? You can't ban something that isn't well defined.
generative AI, which is definitionally explicit in terms of how the technology works, and can therefore be banned. Analytical AI (like, mammography scan pattern recognition, which is the only "AI" of value) is technologically disjointed, not created by the typical genAI companies, and can therefore be excluded from the ban.
So the thing where you remove a person from the background of a picture should be illegal? That's generative AI. Auto complete in Google is a kind of generative AI. Oh, maybe you mean neural networks? Those are used in a lot of things other than gen AI. You can be overly broad when writing laws, or you end up hurting people that did nothing wrong. But if you're too specific the law is either easy to circumvent, of quickly outdated.
I'd prefer for the guns to be removed from both powers and civilians.
yeah exactly! AI should have never been allowed to exist and/or allowed to be used in the EU, and anything created with it should be heavily punished.