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[Rant] Why do people in the trans community never talk about voice surgery or acknowledge that it's necessary for some folks (discuss.online)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online to c/mtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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(NSFW because I'm ranting due to voice dysphoria)

Like seriously, I was encouraged to just voice train for years to try and sound like a woman but even after 3 years of voice training nothing I tried helps and I still sound like a man who's imitating a woman's voice. My voice clearly doesn't and will never pass without surgical intervention but the worst part is that people have told me I don't need voice surgery and that my "fem" voice passes, bull fucking shit, I sent voice samples to a voice training sub on a throwaway account without telling them my gender just if it sounds masc or fem and most of them said my "fem" voice sounds masculine possibly slightly androgynous.

Also why would someone tell me my voice passes when it clearly doesn't? That's not being nice that's lying to me, and maybe you have the luxury of being openly and visibly trans but I don't, it can be a big problem if I speak up in the woman's room and the other person there is a TERF who hears me and thinks I'm a man in the ladies room.

I already know that I'm going to get voice training advice on this post and with all do respect, I don't want to hear it. If you read it online or heard it from a specialist I've probably tried it. The fact is voice training just doesn't work for everyone, some people's voices are just too damaged from hormone changes and mine is one of them ๐Ÿ˜”. I'll never sound like the girl I appear to be without an expensive surgery, and seemingly one that no one in this goddamn community ever wants to discuss or promote. I wouldn't even know about it existing if it wasn't for the fact that I googled it randomly out of curiosity to find out if it even exists.

Sorry for this rand, voice dysphoria is really bad today. I thought talking about it would make me feel better but it didn't really, just made me want voice surgery that much more ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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[โ€“] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A question I have also asked many times. I am also pursuing vocal surgery. There's so much disinformation about vocal surgery out there. The surgical techniques used today are very unlikely to have the negative outcomes people associate with older vocal surgery. Do your research on surgeon and technique and consider what your expectations are.

I've been voice training for about a decade. It's hard. I work every day with my voice and I can't get my voice to a place where it passes all the time. I settle for giving my pronouns on every call. That does help some. But no I'm planning on vocal surgery after I had the revelation that it is far more advanced than people would have you believe. And I wish there was a greater push to see it as important as grs. It should be covered by insurance.

If you're looking for a recommendation where money is of no consequence, Yeson voice center in South Korea is far and away the most advanced in the world. Their technique is unique and there are a lot of results you can find online. I was looking into the Haben Practice for Voice and Laryngeal Surgery in upstate New York. Their technique is one of the more advanced ones in North America. However, I am Canadian, and getting in and out of America is hazardous at this point. I've been weighing other options.

[โ€“] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeson does a variation of the Wendler glottoplasty, which is basically just a shortening and thinning of the vocal cords.

A more advanced (and invasive) VFS option is FemLar, which shortens your vocal cords and lifts your larynx. FemLar surgeons are harder to find, but I know at least 1 in Australia offers it, as does at least one Thailand.

[โ€“] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wow, today I learned. Their materials all position it as something different? I guess the specifics must vary. The results from Yeson do seem consistently good. But I hadn't actually heard of femlar before. There are several US surgeons that do offer it.

[โ€“] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Yeson's glottoplasty doesn't use lasers, and they have an unparallelled amount of experience.

My VFS surgeon (in Australia) can perform FemLar, but didn't think I needed it, so wanted to do the less invasive glottoplasty.

I've had good outcome with it